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March 15th, 2018, 04:16 AM   #61
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You're assuming that the electronics play no part in tyre wear. That's not a sound assumption.
Likewise, you are assuming that in his heyday, Rossi had exactly the same tyres as everyone else, which is not a sound assumption either. Since 2016 all the bikes have had spec electronics, so it is much more reliant on the rider to control the tyre wear. Do you think Zarco's astonishing tyre saving ability is due to him having better electronics on a year old Yamaha than the factory riders or because of his setup and riding style?


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Go watch him in the 125ís , he can ride any way the bike demands. Thatís what sets him apart from the rest of the riders , doesnít bitch when things are going bad, just figures out a way to go fast on what he has.
Exactly, Senna's great ability was to drive the wheels off whatever he had and was once quoted as saying "Whatever you line up on the grid on Sunday with, is what you have got"

I've repeatedly stated that Stoner would have been a contender in a shopping cart, such is his raw talent. Thought sadly he falls short in other aspects.
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Spec electronics doesn't mean all bikes behave the same. I am not surprised some guy who did catering for McLaren didn't understand this.

It means that all manufacturers get the exact hardware module and sensors and the same base code and all optimizations have to be done by them. Ducati already worked with Magneti Marelli and Honda hired people from there, Yamaha screwed up and now have to figure out the optimizations all by themselves. This is the reason why they are lagging. Go call your friend from Tech 3 and ask him if I am wrong.

Annnyyywaaay....

Rossi signs on for 2 more years! It would be so much fun to watch the salty tears of desperation on this forum for that much longer!

As you were, gentlemen.
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March 15th, 2018, 05:46 AM   #63
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Yamaha weíre working with Marelli years ago, way before the spec Ecigs, besides Lorenzo managed the same longevity with tyres as Zarco whilst on the Yamaha before and after the ruling.
Iíd say the tyre management issue lies with riding style at Yamaha. The cross plane crank seems to really stress the tyres when ridden aggressively, the wsbk guys have had similar issues over the years.
Good to see Rossi renew his contract. I hope he can work with maverick rather than against him this time, so they can put the Yamaha back on the top step. I do however think Marquez is looking ominous this year, the lad is looking relaxed on and off the bike and heís had consistently fast race pace at each test. He doesnít seem worried about one off fast laps this time.
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I don't think it's the crossplane crank itself. Suzuki runs a crossplane firing order and they are doing fine.

Yamaha, with own ECU software and Bridgestone tyres had a winning formula, they dropped behind the pack with spec software and Michelins. It's actually mission accomplished as far as shaking things up go. Even as a Yamaha and Rossi fan, I like the fact that now we have 3, potentially 4 manufacturers who can challenge for podiums on any given day.
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Likewise, you are assuming that in his heyday, Rossi had exactly the same tyres as everyone else, which is not a sound assumption either. Since 2016 all the bikes have had spec electronics, so it is much more reliant on the rider to control the tyre wear. Do you think Zarco's astonishing tyre saving ability is due to him having better electronics on a year old Yamaha than the factory riders or because of his setup and riding style?
Actually, all the top riders got the SNS during the unlimited tyre period.

Also, in 2008 and 2009 (dominant years), all the Bridgestone riders had the same tyres available. The same applied when he was Lorenzo's teammate, when he was usually faster in the latter third of the race.
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Actually, all the top riders got the SNS during the unlimited tyre period.

Also, in 2008 and 2009 (dominant years), all the Bridgestone riders had the same tyres available. The same applied when he was Lorenzo's teammate, when he was usually faster in the latter third of the race.
Tires were made to Rossi's specifications.

SNS didn't work for every rider hence Pedrosa discarding his set at Estoril 2006 and Elias getting them. Elias made them work and won the race.

Don't kid yourself about SNS being done on an equal basis for all riders.
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Tires were made to Rossi's specifications.
Such a suggestion is laughable.

Do you really think HRC, with 6-8 bikes on the grid, would spend vast quantities to race on tyres that are custom made to Rossi?

Do you have any evidence? Of course not.
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Such a suggestion is laughable.

Do you really think HRC, with 6-8 bikes on the grid, would spend vast quantities to race on tyres that are custom made to Rossi?

Do you have any evidence? Of course not.
He doesn't even have evidence of who his biological father is.
You're asking too much of him.
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Such a suggestion is laughable.

Do you really think HRC, with 6-8 bikes on the grid, would spend vast quantities to race on tyres that are custom made to Rossi?

Do you have any evidence? Of course not.
How about Hayden and Pedrosa saying that Rossi changing to Bridgestone was good for them because they will be able to have more input on tyres.
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I also think you'll find that part of the reason why Rossi was so keen to change from Michelin is that in his opinion they had started favouring HRC and Dani over him during 2006.
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