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March 15th, 2018, 07:24 PM   #91
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Except it is out there. It's been produced on this forum plenty of times in old threads. Particularly words from Burgess and some former riders.
The person who makes the claim bears the onus of bringing the evidence in its support.
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March 15th, 2018, 07:25 PM   #92
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Why is Lorenzo's 2017 omitted from the overall picture?
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March 15th, 2018, 07:25 PM   #93
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Excuses are excuses.

Rossi was also on an inferior bike to Stoner for 2011 and 2012. Stoner was on an inferior bike to Rossi for 2010. Why do we compare those years then?

The satellite RC211V was awesome. Stoner himself said that the bike was good enough to win the title on (but that the tyres weren't).

A rider's ability to find good rides (and leave when they see no progress) is part of their skillset. Managing your own career in a way that gives you the best chance of winning is an important skill.
He found a good ride for the 2006 season. Yamaha were ready to sign him to a factory contract and then Rossi vetoed him as a team mate.

Whether his satellite bike was good or not is unimportant when he didn't get the tyres to make himself competitive and Michelin would change his tyre at the drop of a hat.
Yes Rossi had a worse bike for two years but it at least levels out with Stoner have a worse Ducati when Rossi had a factory Yamaha.
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March 15th, 2018, 07:26 PM   #94
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The person who makes the claim bears the onus of bringing the evidence in its support.
Not when it's been bought up on this forum so often they don't.
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March 15th, 2018, 07:27 PM   #95
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Why is Lorenzo's 2017 omitted from the overall picture?
Because it was done during the 2017 season. That's why Marquez only has 29 wins and 3 title you cretin.
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March 15th, 2018, 07:27 PM   #96
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He found a good ride for the 2006 season. Yamaha were ready to sign him to a factory contract and then Rossi vetoed him as a team mate.

Whether his satellite bike was good or not is unimportant when he didn't get the tyres to make himself competitive and Michelin would change his tyre at the drop of a hat.
Yes Rossi had a worse bike for two years but it at least levels out with Stoner have a worse Ducati when Rossi had a factory Yamaha.
The Yamaha was terrible in 2006 and 2007. Blown engines, mechanical issues, etc.

The CF Screamer Ducati was awesome in 2009. Stoner admitted this year that it's better than the GP18, for its time.
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Because it was done during the 2017 season. That's why Marquez only has 29 wins and 3 title you cretin.
Why post old statistics? It's 2018.
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Why post old statistics? It's 2018.
I didn't post it in this thread. Anyway nothing has changed, Lorenzo didn't win anything last year and Rossi won a race, which if not for a back marker Petrucci was going to win.
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Well I guess Marquezs dominance over Rossi has changed, Pedrosa has gotten closer to his win total, Rossi was beaten by a team mate on the same equipment.
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The Yamaha was terrible in 2006 and 2007. Blown engines, mechanical issues, etc.

The CF Screamer Ducati was awesome in 2009. Stoner admitted this year that it's better than the GP18, for its time.
Nonsense about 2007. The 2007 Ducati was definitely potentially faster than the 2007 Yamaha no matter how well ridden (I strongly doubt anyone could have ridden the bike better than Rossi did btw) if you could ride it as Stoner did, which was pretty much the same method he employed for the later Ducatis which Burgess and Rossi openly admitted Rossi was unable to replicate, Rossi opining that Stoner had to be crazy to ride the 2010 Ducati the way he did and Burgess describing Stoner's basic methodology as being to almost crash the bike in every corner. The engine and fuel economy problems in 2007 only came after the title had been decided when Rossi was pushing Yamaha to improve the power of their engine and insisted on employing an early version of the 2008 engine to hasten development of same.

Hard to know about the 2006 Yamaha, but Rossi the great bike developer was in his 3rd season with Yamaha and Hayden was still testing prototype parts in races well into the season when in the lead of the championship.
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