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March 1st, 2018, 01:09 AM   #31
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Watching Zarco doesn’t remind me of Lorenzo at all. Zarco is loose. Take a look. He simply doesn’t stress the tires. I agree he’s not like Stoner, who could make the Duc turn. The KTM already turns, Austrians aren’t Italians they are analytical and methodical and Zarco will do just fine, much better than Smith or Pol imo.


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Haha ok you know what I mean. Ferrari vs Mercedes. Style vs function. KTM vs Ducati but aren’t the later owner by the Germans?
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Haha ok you know what I mean. Ferrari vs Mercedes. Style vs function. KTM vs Ducati but aren’t the later owner by the Germans?

I know what you mean and I'm proud to be from where style seems to hail from funnily enough I live really close to the Austrian border hahaha

But in seriousness. This doesn't apply to motorcycles imho, where the different philosophies are mainly between European and Japanese manufacturers. The reason why KTM will most likely end up being a more Japanese-oriented bike in MotoGP is that the huge amount of financial resources they have (which come from Red Bull) are mainly being invested in acquiring professionals that have worked and developed bikes for Japanese manufacturers, mainly from HRC.

But as far as me - I'd pick Ducati any day

To anwer your question yes, Ducati is owned by Audi, which is owned by Wolkswagen, which is a German company. But this is merely financial: all the headquarters, managers, philosophies and company policies in Ducati are exactly the same as before Audi bought the company.
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Looks like Marquez blocked him from joining Honda with the must sign Pedro demand. Shame would of liked to see Zarco on the Honda reckon he would provide MM with some decent competition.

Look at it this way. Doors close at Yamaha and Honda. Reminiscent of a kid I know back in 07 who was reportedly locked out of Yamaha but went on to win on a Ducati. Could history repeat with KTM?
Looking at DailyStars articles I personally wouldn't put any trust in something they've written. Most of the article about Marquez demanding Pedrosa was actually about Rossi.
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Actually he smashed himself to pieces on Michelin’s and admitted he had fear of the bike during the end of the season. 2009 was a re-learning and building of confidence year for him, as he stated in his book.
2010 was the first time he started the season with no fears or worries after his 2008 crash fest.
Then he was fast....
You haven't refuted my point at all. We weren't questioning whether he crashed a lot. We were asking how quickly he'd pick up raw speed.
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You haven't refuted my point at all. We weren't questioning whether he crashed a lot. We were asking how quickly he'd pick up raw speed.
He won his third race out in 2008. The raw speed was there from the get go.
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You haven't refuted my point at all. We weren't questioning whether he crashed a lot. We were asking how quickly he'd pick up raw speed.
A huge contradiction surely? You don't pick up "Raw speed". You either have it or you don't.
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He won his third race out in 2008. The raw speed was there from the get go.
Yup. That was my point. He was immediately, freaklishly quick on anything he touched until the double-collarbone break.
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A huge contradiction surely? You don't pick up "Raw speed". You either have it or you don't.
By raw speed, I'm referring to outright pace - i.e. the peak speed of that rider with that combination.

Some riders, like Stoner, hit something close to their PBs pretty quickly on a new bike or package. For example, within a couple of tests, Stoner was already near the top of the timesheets on the new Ducati/Bridgestone combo, after having jumped off the Honda/Michelin package. He always was the same on new bike/chassis/engine/tyre combos - quick to within a few tenths of his very best.

Lorenzo used to be like that. He jumped on the Yamaha, and by the first race was insanely fast. He took the first three poles, won his second race, etc. He was even like that on the various two strokes he rode.
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You haven't refuted my point at all. We weren't questioning whether he crashed a lot. We were asking how quickly he'd pick up raw speed.


Actually we were continuing a conversation about Rossi beating his opponents including Lorenzo in 2009. I gave the explanation from his book that AFTER the big crashes in 2008, Lorenzo feared the MotoGP bike and admitted he’d thought it easy at first until he overstepped the mark and got bitten hard several times.
In 2009 he was still wary of the bike and didn’t push as hard as he might have. He used it as a confidence building year to reaffirm to himself he could do it.
2010 was the first year he was confident and worry free on the bike and was devastatingly fast out of the blocks. Many journalists said Rossi was so shaken by Lorenzo’s lightning starts that he was desperate to improve his grid position and obsessive about riders following him in practice and qualifying (ironically a thing which became a problem for Lorenzo later on), that he slowed and cruised to stop Barberra following him and his tyre cooled. When he got back on the gas he was highsided and broke his leg.
That’s why I said of Lorenzo in 2010, “then he was fast”...

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