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February 25th, 2018, 02:37 AM   #41
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Itís obvious enough how this will play out. Carmelo will simply put it to a vote. The first result will be a unanimous no to team VR getting extra slots on the grid. Then uncle Ezzy will wave some $$$ cash in their faces at which point the independent teams will suddenly have a change of heart and welcome VR to their collective bosom. Sure it will be good for the sport, possibly for all the wrong reasons but the majority of viewers arenít going to worry about such minor moto matters.
I donít care if he is there or not, and you are right, most fans would want his team in. I am just against the attitude that legalities donít matter when it comes to Rossi. Carmelo was wrong to assume that everyone would fall all over themselves to accommodate Rossi , he has been doing it for close to to two decades and figured thatís the way life is. Like I said earlier, Carmelo will pay off any detractors or Rossi will simply purchase a team for double its worth and he is in.
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I don’t care if he is there or not, and you are right, most fans would want his team in. I am just against the attitude that legalities don’t matter when it comes to Rossi. Carmelo was wrong to assume that everyone would fall all over themselves to accommodate Rossi , he has been doing it for close to to two decades and figured that’s the way life is. Like I said earlier, Carmelo will pay off any detractors or Rossi will simply purchase a team for double its worth and he is in.
I think he would be better off running the Yamaha factory team.

Running a satellite GP team seems like a fairly good way to lose money in general, although I guess he wouldn’t have much trouble getting either financial backing/sponsorship or management help. I imagine he will want to win as well though.

I have no doubt he will be good at identifying and fostering talent.
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Rossi with a satellite team? Hahahahahaha fucking hilarious, he'll want to kick a few hard in the gonads the miserable twat.
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Aspar/ Nieto and Avintia survive based on Dorna’s Payouts.
You’d have to be fairly delusional if you think they will bite the hand that feeds them.

Even Marc VDS, Tech 3 and LCR aren’t as “Independent “ as they seem to be.
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Just to give you an idea of where revolting goes in MotoGP, when plans for spec ECUs were announced by Dorna, Honda threatened to quit.

Look where we are now...
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Aspar/ Nieto and Avintia survive based on Dorna’s Payouts.
You’d have to be fairly delusional if you think they will bite the hand that feeds them.

Even Marc VDS, Tech 3 and LCR aren’t as “Independent “ as they seem to be.
Sure. I think that was part of the control tire thing, i think Dorna may have been subsidising the tyres for the satellite teams.

The existing VR team seem to be going well, i have no doubt he will identify and foster talent well as I said. I can’t see why he would want to have a team like the existing satellite teams though, unless the intention is a quasi factory team including full technical support a la Nastro Azziuro Honda. Herve sounds like he is getting a Torro Rosso set-up.

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Itís obvious enough how this will play out. Carmelo will simply put it to a vote. The first result will be a unanimous no to team VR getting extra slots on the grid. Then uncle Ezzy will wave some $$$ cash in their faces at which point the independent teams will suddenly have a change of heart and welcome VR to their collective bosom. Sure it will be good for the sport, possibly for all the wrong reasons but the majority of viewers arenít going to worry about such minor moto matters.
I honestly don't see the big deal in expanding the grid to 26 bikes. Would have preferred seeing Suzuki supply a satellite team though. Given where things were in 2011/2012, Dorna has done a big job in getting a reasonable grid out there much as I dislike them.
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Just to give you an idea of where revolting goes in MotoGP, when plans for spec ECUs were announced by Dorna, Honda threatened to quit.

Look where we are now...
Yep Honda running away with it, Maybe the mucky mucks at Dorna should introduce the new WSBK rules to motogp
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Sure. I think that was part of the control tire thing, i think Dorna may have been subsidiising the tyres for the satellite teams.

The existing VR team seem to be going well, i have no doubt he will identify and foster talent well as I said. I canít see why he would want to have a team like the existing satellite teams though, unless the intention is a quasi factory team including full technical support a la Nastro Azziuro Honda. Herve sounds like he is getting a Torro Rosso set-up.
If I remember correctly, Dorna covers at least part of the tyre costs, the rider salary and some transportation costs. It would be impossible for the independents to compete otherwise. The spec ECU was also introduced to help them as the factory ECUs were light years ahead.

Good for Herve if he has managed to get a Torro Rosso deal. Currently, all independent teams have to pay for the bikes they lease. His budget would go a long way further if the bike costs are covered.
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Aspar/ Nieto and Avintia survive based on Dorna’s Payouts.
You’d have to be fairly delusional if you think they will bite the hand that feeds them.

Even Marc VDS, Tech 3 and LCR aren’t as “Independent “ as they seem to be.
I am beyond fairly delusional unlike Uccio, despite that I understand what the limited grid spots was supposed to achieve. Namely financial security for any private team to invest in MotoGP. Back in 2010 when there were satelight teams going bunkrupt and 14 bikes on the grid the rule was vital to encourage investment. The purpose is to say to private teams we won’t just increase the grid, if someone else wants in ala BMW they will have to buy you out. This means the private teams can raise cash because their investors know it is a safe bet. Now Carmelo waves his magic wand to expand to 26 just to please Rossi, of coarse all those investors will be waving their contracts at DORNA.

Hervť knows exactly what he’s doing, they all do and they won’t simply roll over for VR and devalue their own investment. Herve has already out played Jarvis, Carmelo, Yamaha and VR. We are witnessing a man who knows his business and good on him.
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