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February 17th, 2018, 03:00 PM   #21
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Yep, this is the last season of the current deal for Jl but also for Dovi.

Ducati have already publically commented that JL needs to step up as Dovi may well need a pay rise for future contracts and they have made it clear that JL may need to look at a pay reduction (being fair, he mentioned it first) if he was to re-sign.

Still early days for Miller but as others have said, it does show the Honda Satellite as an anchor and makes one 'wonder' just how deliberate that may be given that their factory riders performance against those same satellites (compare to other factories)
Yes, I was thinking Stefan Bradl, a moto 2 champion who actually defeated MM to win that championship even more than Jack, a moto 3 runner-up.

Whether he will keep the Ducati upright in races is another question of course, but testing so far on a year old Ducati suggests the satellite Honda was limiting his pace.
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Whether he will keep the Ducati upright in races is another question of course, but testing so far on a year old Ducati suggests the satellite Honda was limiting his pace.

It has been said by many a judge far better than us forum folk that Jack's problems in terms of crashing has been because he has had to over-ride the bike to make it near competitive which, with a revision of results would seem right as his better results were always wet or variable conditions which does level the field slightly.

Tim will tell of course but so far for mine he is impressive in the effort he is putting in which is producing times, but perhaps the biggest factor is that he is starting the year fit, healthy and no injuries.
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I had argued that Jack was riding better than can be expected if you compared him to others on the same machinery. Looks like now with the better satellite package he could be in for a great season, it might be my patriotic pride but I thought that Ducati may have been better off giving the current bike to Jack rather than Petrucci. I guess he might end up with it once/if Petrucci signs somewhere else.

I expect Luthi, Morbidelli and Nakagami to struggle this year in similar fashion to Rabat over the past two years.*

*unless Honda have seriously upped their satellite package this year.
Morbidelli is riding the bike that won last years title . Unfortunately , instructions on cracking the code on how to ride the RCV is written in some unknown language that only one rider on the planet understands. Maybe he really is an alien.
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What is perhaps more interesting is that it is again someone who decries ’bonerism’ who feels the need to bring it to this thread to which it would seem irrelevant, and also to something totally unrelated to bike racing.

It is much more likely the aggressors were Queenslanders who were offended because someone said XXXX was terrible beer.
Don't you mean beaaa?
I found it quite hilarious when viewed from the aburd viewpoint of Italians and Aussies ruining a family vacation over VR/CS.
The only thing worse would be trekkies stuck on a boat with Star Wars and GOT fans or Povol coming across a tranny in Key West

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Don't you mean beaaa?
I found it quite hilarious when viewed from the aburd viewpoint of Italians and Aussies ruining a family vacation over VR/CS.
The only thing worse would be trekkies stuck on a boat with Star Wars and GOT fans or Povol coming across a tranny in Key West
The saying goes that the Queensland beer concerned is called XXXX because Queenslanders canít spell beer.

My point was that Australians would be more likely to fight over beer than gp bike racing. If there was a fight over what is very much a minority sport in Australia VRís fans as in most places in the world would have the numbers on their side, and it is his fans who boo riders on the podium etc anyway.
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Morbidelli is riding the bike that won last years title . Unfortunately , instructions on cracking the code on how to ride the RCV is written in some unknown language that only one rider on the planet understands. Maybe he really is an alien.
I think there is room both for MM being an extraordinary rider and the only rider able to ride a factory Honda, obviously a difficult bike in recent years, at all competitively and Honda’s satellite and/or customer bikes being somewhat detuned for some years now.
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The saying goes that the Queensland beer concerned is called XXXX because Queenslanders can’t spell beer.
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Thats hilarious.
Is Queensland your version of our south?
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Thats hilarious.
Is Queensland your version of our south?
It is actually the north, but things are reversed down here obviously and north is closer to the equator.

Battles between the southern and northern states here have pretty much been confined to football and cricket fields however, and Queensland are well in the ascendancy when it comes to rugby league.

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I love Pedro's philosophy. Aim low and you will never be dissapointed.

The boppers and boners are going at it again. Too bad the boners had to retire early

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...k-in-melbourne
Shame it had nothing to do with MotoGP
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Yes, I was thinking Stefan Bradl, a moto 2 champion who actually defeated MM to win that championship even more than Jack, a moto 3 runner-up.

Whether he will keep the Ducati upright in races is another question of course, but testing so far on a year old Ducati suggests the satellite Honda was limiting his pace.
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It has been said by many a judge far better than us forum folk that Jack's problems in terms of crashing has been because he has had to over-ride the bike to make it near competitive which, with a revision of results would seem right as his better results were always wet or variable conditions which does level the field slightly.

Tim will tell of course but so far for mine he is impressive in the effort he is putting in which is producing times, but perhaps the biggest factor is that he is starting the year fit, healthy and no injuries.
Or - it may simply be a question of the skills to win on the mid-class bikes won't transfer so well to the premier class. Remember how heroic Aoyama was on the 250s beating out riders on superior equipment, later falling on his face in MGP. Lorenzo and Marquez had in common their ability to win consistently, something that can't be said about Miller.
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