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January 25th, 2018, 12:26 PM   #21
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Interviewer: Do you every regret retiring after just two titles?

Stoner: "Iíve never regretted it. Never, not even for a second. Each year Iím happier than the last".

Oh, well.
Terrible news.
No reason to watch anymore.
Can someone please alert me when GP gets some talent and the racing get exciting again.
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January 25th, 2018, 12:38 PM   #22
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So awkward when the test rider is faster than both factory riders.
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So awkward when the test rider is faster than both factory riders.
Factory riders start testing the 28th. I'd wait til then before naming "the speed king" practice champion.
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No mention of the contenders yet.


That may well be because ALL of the contenders have not turned a wheel in anger up until this point in time.

Hard to discuss that which has not yet occurred.
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Factory riders start testing the 28th. I'd wait til then before naming "the speed king" practice champion.
Absolutely.

CS can be as fast as he wants.

He can place as much pressure as he wants on others with his performances.

But the facts remain that he chooses not to race and thus, his times need to be looked at as testing times without an end goal other than to go as fast as he bloody well can for the simple cause of finding issues with the equipment that he has been tasked to test.

The riders, well their aim is to make a race winning bike and thus their role and the way they approach it will likely be different.

Sure it is fun to look at the times and go 'not bad given the lay off', or 'if only', but we live in a real world and he is happy to not be involved in the big circus and needs to be looked at in that aspect.
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That's quite amazing, given Casey Stoner is 5 years retired (give or take 1800 days) and he tops the time sheets in sketchy conditions, no wonder everybody is talking about it.

Can anybody think of someone who retired for 5 years, in any sport, particularly one where they can't just practice their craft readily, basically long swathes of time away from anything remotely similar, and have the mental focus, muscle memory, skill, and talent to show that they are still the top?

Consider how much the sport and machines, tires, electronics, components, suspension, etc. have changed in 5 years. Riders take an entire season, many rounds of practice and races to understand the nuances of a single element, much less all of them, and given Casey Stoner's frugal laps turned over his testing regimen, this really does indicate he is and remains the only "alien" as the term is used, in MotoGP.

Casey is just that 'mentally strong'. He had the mental strength and balls to flip the bird to the GPfarce infused in every element of the sport, that's admirable integrity, a characteristic rare in life, even less in bullshit venture sport promoters masquerading as authentic competition. He turned down millions, didnít sell-out his principles, and was still presented with the opportunity with top factories to test their state-of-the-art technology. He's happy, collecting a fat check, and with every lap time, a middle finger.

Edit to add: undoubtedly Casey Stoner has been vital to Ducati's improvement and development. Finding the limits, even when the factory riders have not reached it, is information that would otherwise be impossible to uncover.

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That's quite amazing, given Casey Stoner is 5 years retired (give or take 1800 days) and he tops the time sheets in sketchy conditions, no wonder everybody is talking about it.

Can anybody think of someone who retired for 5 years, in any sport, particularly one where they can't just practice their craft readily, basically long swathes of time away from anything remotely similar, and have the mental focus, muscle memory, skill, and talent to show that they are still the top?

Consider how much the sport and machines, tires, electronics, components, suspension, etc. have changed in 5 years. Riders take an entire season, many rounds of practice and races to understand the nuances of a single element, much less all of them, and given Casey Stoner's frugal laps turned over his testing regimen, this really does indicate he is and remains the only "alien" as the term is used, in MotoGP.

Casey is just that 'mentally strong'. He had the mental strength and balls to flip the bird to the GPfarce infused in every element of the sport, that's admirable integrity, a characteristic rare in life, even less in bullshit venture sport promoters masquerading as authentic competition. He turned down millions, didnít sell-out his principles, and was still presented with the opportunity with top factories to test their state-of-the-art technology. He's happy, collecting a fat check, and with every lap time, a middle finger.

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Mike Hailwood did it, didn't race a bike for a decade, came back and kicked their arses at the IOM, then a week later did it again at a circuit race to prove it wasn't a fluke.
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Bobby 'Fisher', ah the irony.

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Mike Hailwood did it, didn't race a bike for a decade, came back and kicked their arses at the IOM, then a week later did it again at a circuit race to prove it wasn't a fluke.
I'm perfectly content in comparing Casey Stoner to a 'mental genius' (Bobby Fishing) and tough, versatile Mr. Hailwood. It puts into perspective the class of elite that Stoner is associated.

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That's quite amazing, given Casey Stoner is 5 years retired (give or take 1800 days) and he tops the time sheets in sketchy conditions, no wonder everybody is talking about it.

Can anybody think of someone who retired for 5 years, in any sport, particularly one where they can't just practice their craft readily, basically long swathes of time away from anything remotely similar, and have the mental focus, muscle memory, skill, and talent to show that they are still the top?

Consider how much the sport and machines, tires, electronics, components, suspension, etc. have changed in 5 years. Riders take an entire season, many rounds of practice and races to understand the nuances of a single element, much less all of them, and given Casey Stoner's frugal laps turned over his testing regimen, this really does indicate he is and remains the only "alien" as the term is used, in MotoGP.

Casey is just that 'mentally strong'. He had the mental strength and balls to flip the bird to the GPfarce infused in every element of the sport, that's admirable integrity, a characteristic rare in life, even less in bullshit venture sport promoters masquerading as authentic competition. He turned down millions, didnít sell-out his principles, and was still presented with the opportunity with top factories to test their state-of-the-art technology. He's happy, collecting a fat check, and with every lap time, a middle finger.

Edit to add: undoubtedly Casey Stoner has been vital to Ducati's improvement and development. Finding the limits, even when the factory riders have not reached it, is information that would otherwise be impossible to uncover.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
Good post. These bikes aren't CBR600s. They are a highly bespoke combination of electronics, chassis, suspension, tyres and engine that are extraordinarily delicate in terms of balance and difficulty to ride. That a bloke goes fishing and can smash out a lap like that after four turns of the circuit is difficult to understand.
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