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January 15th, 2018, 04:18 PM   #1
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Lorenzo pay cut ?

Looks like Lorenzo is being realistic about his upcoming contract negotiations. He knows Dovi is getting more, and he is going to have to take less to stay at Ducati.

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Seems reasonable. Maybe it will motivate him to try harder. Or maybe he'll do a Rossi. Lorenzo saying "Ducati will now "go in my direction" sounds like something right out of the Trump playbook. Why would Ducati un-do all (or any) of the great work they've done to make the bike ride as well as it did in '17? Especially given Dovi's performance? They've already lived through the fiasco of trying to create a Yamacati and ended up with uovo on their face. Unless they're letting Dovi go, it's hard to imagine them throwing good money after bad.
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Seems reasonable. Maybe it will motivate him to try harder. Or maybe he'll do a Rossi. Lorenzo saying "Ducati will now "go in my direction" sounds like something right out of the Trump playbook. Why would Ducati un-do all (or any) of the great work they've done to make the bike ride as well as it did in '17? Especially given Dovi's performance? They've already lived through the fiasco of trying to create a Yamacati and ended up with uovo on their face. Unless they're letting Dovi go, it's hard to imagine them throwing good money after bad.
All builders want a bike that turns mid corner, itís almost a must if you want to compete with Honda and Yamaha. I donít think itís unreasonable for them to try and climb that last hill of development.
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Well I think 2018 Lorenzo will be #1 in the team. In my opinion Dov is way overrated and not an alien like Lorenzo is. He's really good but the results last year belongs first to the Ducati which is the best bike right now in my opinion. Before they will give Dov more money I think they will wait and see how his results are in 2018. If he's still faster than Lorenzo then they will give him a lot more, if not he will get a better contract but not that high donated as he wants.
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They've already lived through the fiasco of trying to create a Yamacati and ended up with uovo on their face.
You can't comparison that to 2011 and 2012. Everyone wants to improve their bike and the Ducati needed a lot of improvement. And so VR and JB wanted it. But Prezioso was too proud for that and so there was some kind of war between them. Many people forgot that Gigi changed immediately many of the things VR wanted be changed in 2011 and 2012. Ducati was a crap bike 5 years ago and now you can see what is possible if you have an engineer who is willing to go the hard way.
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Well I think 2018 Lorenzo will be #1 in the team. In my opinion Dov is way overrated and not an alien like Lorenzo is. He's really good but the results last year belongs first to the Ducati which is the best bike right now in my opinion. Before they will give Dov more money I think they will wait and see how his results are in 2018. If he's still faster than Lorenzo then they will give him a lot more, if not he will get a better contract but not that high donated as he wants.
Dovi was not the only rider on a Ducati, if it really was the bike then you would have seen a lot more Ducati riders on the podium... Dovi had a fantastic season in 2017, but he made it happen, not the bike.
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All builders want a bike that turns mid corner, it’s almost a must if you want to compete with Honda and Yamaha. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for them to try and climb that last hill of development.
Well no, of course not. Tho that wasn't what I was implying. Only that Ducati has tried (not always to great effect) to maintain it's identity and not become as generic as the Jap bikes which are increasingly homogeneous. Personally - I've been rooting for them to find a solution to the steering issue; one that is distinctly theirs and not just rubber stamping technology used by the big 4. The engineering puzzle of how to use that great, but unconventional engine and not make the handling suffer - is an intriguing one.

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You can't comparison that to 2011 and 2012. Everyone wants to improve their bike and the Ducati needed a lot of improvement. And so VR and JB wanted it. But Prezioso was too proud for that and so there was some kind of war between them. Many people forgot that Gigi changed immediately many of the things VR wanted be changed in 2011 and 2012. Ducati was a crap bike 5 years ago and now you can see what is possible if you have an engineer who is willing to go the hard way.

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Well I think 2018 Lorenzo will be #1 in the team. In my opinion Dov is way overrated and not an alien like Lorenzo is. He's really good but the results last year belongs first to the Ducati which is the best bike right now in my opinion. Before they will give Dov more money I think they will wait and see how his results are in 2018. If he's still faster than Lorenzo then they will give him a lot more, if not he will get a better contract but not that high donated as he wants.
If it's all the bike and Dovi is "overrated" - why didn't the "alien" do better? Do the math. Watch those last 5 races and the way he so often had the measure of Marquez - those breath-taking passes in the rain in particular and if you're at all objective - you have to come away knowing, that if anything, Dovi has been underrated.
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If it's all the bike and Dovi is "overrated" - why didn't the "alien" do better? Do the math. Watch those last 5 races and the way he so often had the measure of Marquez - those breath-taking passes in the rain in particular and if you're at all objective - you have to come away knowing, that if anything, Dovi has been underrated.
Dovi stepped up massively in 2017 too. Let's not forget that.
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