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December 1st, 2017, 11:03 AM   #41
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Bro the helicopter view shows exactly what happened. Going into the chicane Rossi swung wide to get on the fastest line to negotiate the chicane. The act of moving to the outside of the track looks like Rossi is leaving the door open for Marquez, but he's really not. Marquez is attempting to out-brake Rossi which means he's going to have to carry more entry speed AND negotiate the corner using the tighter inside line! Again, Marquez was trying to turn much tighter than Rossi while carrying a lot more speed... it just wasn't going to happen. Rossi cut back toward the apex because that's the exact line he needed to be on and Marquez was not in front of him so he still had line preference. Marquez made contact with Rossi slightly after the apex and if Rossi didn't stand his bike up both of them would've likely ended up in the gravel.

Unless Marquez got his front tire in front of Rossi's (he clearly didn't), he never got far enough to take any line from Rossi. He tried, he failed, he had to accept his 2nd place. If any rider was going to receive a penalty, he would've had to be Marquez.
Had Rossi not swung wide for entry Marc never would have had an opportunity. Once that happened Marc had every right to attempt to take that space. One he does Rossi fucked himself on hitting the apex without causing a "racing incident". So to me Rossi cutting the track is a bigger offense than Marcs attempted pass. It would be easy to see how much time Rossi made and doc him for it. Rossi undoubtedly went faster through the chicane by cutting it than if he had taken the correct line. The fact that Marc caused it with a clean but risky pass attempt doesn't matter. The same way it didn't with Zarco and Rossi.
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Had Rossi not swung wide for entry Marc never would have had an opportunity. Once that happened Marc had every right to attempt to take that space. One he does Rossi fucked himself on hitting the apex without causing a "racing incident". So to me Rossi cutting the track is a bigger offense than Marcs attempted pass. It would be easy to see how much time Rossi made and doc him for it. Rossi undoubtedly went faster through the chicane by cutting it than if he had taken the correct line. The fact that Marc caused it with a clean but risky pass attempt doesn't matter. The same way it didn't with Zarco and Rossi.
Marc was always going to attempt that hail mary pass. Had Rossi stayed on the inside defensive line, he would've had to brake more to enter the chicane and risk Marc getting in front. Choosing to take the wider line enabled Rossi to use speed to defend against Marc's pass attempt.

On track, each rider has every right to attempt to take any space. But if they fail to get in front of the rider they want to overtake, they still have to yield the line to the rider in front. Marc doesn't get to dictate what line the rider in front of him has to take. Rossi was on the "correct" line to navigate the chicane at the speed he was traveling. Marc was on the wrong line for the speed he was carrying which is why even after hitting Rossi, he still couldn't scrub off enough speed to prevent himself from going outside of the track limits. Lol at you calling Marc's pass attempt "clean" considering he hit another rider and went over the curb himself.
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Marc was always going to attempt that hail mary pass. Had Rossi stayed on the inside defensive line, he would've had to brake more to enter the chicane and risk Marc getting in front. Choosing to take the wider line enabled Rossi to use speed to defend against Marc's pass attempt.

On track, each rider has every right to attempt to take any space. But if they fail to get in front of the rider they want to overtake, they still have to yield the line to the rider in front. Marc doesn't get to dictate what line the rider in front of him has to take. Rossi was on the "correct" line to navigate the chicane at the speed he was traveling. Marc was on the wrong line for the speed he was carrying which is why even after hitting Rossi, he still couldn't scrub off enough speed to prevent himself from going outside of the track limits. Lol at you calling Marc's pass attempt "clean" considering he hit another rider and went over the curb himself.
I think Marc did a very good job avoid a disaster after the pass didn't work. Which Marc has a history(lately) of doing. The pass attempt isn't the problem Rossi taking that section of the track at an unobtainable speed by cutting a corner is. Contact on track is pretty much done every race without penalty, however cutting the track is almost always penalized even when caused by another rider.
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To me it looks like Rossi knew what was coming and wasn't planning to stay on track and make the corner. Marquez tried to use Rossi as a berm and Rossi went straight to avoid it. Marquez didn't get the speed reduction he'd hoped for and couldn't stay on the track and make the corner.
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Rossi knew the move was coming and I think planned for it. Rossi runs defensive lines sometimes from lap 1, it's strange that he didn't during a last lap battle on the last corner unless he had an exit strategy.
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