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November 24th, 2017, 01:02 AM   #11
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Whichever way you look at it rossi sucked bigtime in 2015.

Desperation.
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That incident at Assen was bullshit, he just blatantly cut the corner.
Marquez, who had the inside line, ran off the track too - so Rossi sitting on his outside really had no choice.

It's a risky move to cut the track at that speed.

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Marquez, who had the inside line, ran off the track too - so Rossi sitting on his outside really had no choice.

It's a risky move to cut the track at that speed.
I agree and thought so at the time.

All you can accuse Rossi of doing in that instance is being smart enough to anticipate the contact. I don't think MM could ever have stayed on the track given his speed and trajectory, other than perhaps by using Rossi as a berm cf last corner Jerez 2006 (EDIT 05 of course) or 2013.
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I agree and thought so at the time.

All you can accuse Rossi of doing in that instance is being smart enough to anticipate the contact. I don't think MM could ever have stayed on the track given his speed and trajectory, other than perhaps by using Rossi as a berm cf last corner Jerez 2006 or 2013.
Yeah.

Rossi started this whole 'using another rider as a berm' rubbish. He should've been demoted to second at Jerez 05, and be forced to start last at the next race. He had no hope of making the corner at Jerez.

The same goes for MM on JL at Jerez 13.
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People think Marc has matured and isn't as killer as his early years, but he will still do anything to win. It's just that he hasn't been in the position that requires desperate moves very often lately.

But twice this year his last corner lunge on Dovi was ruthless without concern for Dovi or himself. I'm sure he loses some respect among fellow riders for that shit, except they mostly think 'that guy is hard to beat', rather than thoughts of 'he is no gentleman'.

When Rossi dumped Marc in Argentina the thing that bothered Marc most was that he lost, not that Rossi was a bastard.

All my opinion, of course.
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People think Marc has matured and isn't as killer as his early years, but he will still do anything to win. It's just that he hasn't been in the position that requires desperate moves very often lately.

But twice this year his last corner lunge on Dovi was ruthless without concern for Dovi or himself. I'm sure he loses some respect among fellow riders for that shit, except they mostly think 'that guy is hard to beat', rather than thoughts of 'he is no gentleman'.

When Rossi dumped Marc in Argentina the thing that bothered Marc most was that he lost, not that Rossi was a bastard.

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He will still do anything to win? Like settle for 3rd when the bike isn't working well. Marc has absolutely matured from the attempted murderer of his early years. How can you say he hasn't been put in a position to make a desperate move? He has an opportunity every time he races. What I see is a rider that knows when he can and cannot ride the bike in such a way to make passes that others cannot. When is the last time he knocked another rider down? He passes in such a way that his trajectory rarely makes contact. When he blows a corners even making a passes he rarely messes up other riders. It don;t think I can explain what I mean anymore than that. Its in bedded into his style.
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It's a risky move to cut the track at that speed.
The purpose of training dirt track, i guess.
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He will still do anything to win? Like settle for 3rd when the bike isn't working well. Marc has absolutely matured from the attempted murderer of his early years. How can you say he hasn't been put in a position to make a desperate move? He has an opportunity every time he races. What I see is a rider that knows when he can and cannot ride the bike in such a way to make passes that others cannot. When is the last time he knocked another rider down? He passes in such a way that his trajectory rarely makes contact. When he blows a corners even making a passes he rarely messes up other riders. It don;t think I can explain what I mean anymore than that. Its in bedded into his style.
In the context of the Argentina and especially the Assen video's, there are the two similar times this season where Marc was in second and wanted first. That was Austria and Japan. Both times he pulled a kamakazi move on Dovi. He drove right in front of him!!

He has learned not to bin it when his bike won't do better than third, that's not the same thing.

But when his blood gets boiling and he wants the win you don't want to be anywhere around him.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It's dangerous and I can't cheer for it but Dorna has to be the one to say "This is not what we want racing to be, in our series" and I don't think they have the balls to say it. Partly because they want anything that brings excitement and publicity (and money) and partly because they don't have the balls to enforce it against Rossi.
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In the context of the Argentina and especially the Assen video's, there are the two similar times this season where Marc was in second and wanted first. That was Austria and Japan. Both times he pulled a kamakazi move on Dovi. He drove right in front of him!!

He has learned not to bin it when his bike won't do better than third, that's not the same thing.

But when his blood gets boiling and he wants the win you don't want to be anywhere around him.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It's dangerous and I can't cheer for it but Dorna has to be the one to say "This is not what we want racing to be, in our series" and I don't think they have the balls to say it. Partly because they want anything that brings excitement and publicity (and money) and partly because they don't have the balls to enforce it against Rossi.
Do you feel the same about Zarco? He makes questionably aggressive passes. Only dude I've seen pass in Marcs style on the regular.
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Do you feel the same about Zarco? He makes questionably aggressive passes. Only dude I've seen pass in Marcs style on the regular.
I'm not sure. I haven't watched enough races with him in it.

I don't get to watch them all.

From what I've seen it doesn't seem so.

Don't get me wrong, I'm always rooting for Marc. Just trying to call a spade a spade, as I see it.
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