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November 13th, 2017, 02:50 AM   #1
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Stress in MotoGP

I posted this elsewhere as comment but I thought it might be worth mentioning here.

istening to Marquez talk about how hard the first few rounds were on him mentally really put into perspective how hard Stoners time at Ducati must've been. The difference between the two situations is Marquez has his factory, his team, his larger fan base and significant parts of the media on his side. Stoner meanwhile had the factory, the media and the majority of the fans against him. It's no wonder he ended up retiring as soon as he did and I dare say that Rossi or Marquez may not have had it in them to continue if they had the same path and problems Stoner had. Rossi was threatening to retire after a year and a half of being on the Duc and getting everything he asked for and had by his own account stopped pushing the limits while everyone blamed the bike, Stoner kept pushing while Ducati blamed him for their results and was winning right until the end while everyone including Ducati were blaming him.

I'm not convinced that if any of these other top riders including Rossi, Lorenzo, Marquez and Pedrosa etc had the same path and problems that Stoner they would still be racing in their 30s.
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Stoner went to Honda and won a championship with them after Ducati.
He retired because he didn’t have the grit to put up with the pressure.

Being an all time great is not just about being fast. The psychological aspects are important too. When you’re your own worst enemy, doesn’t matter if you have a great team or a sub par one.

As good as Stoner was, he was his own enemy a lot of time and made things more difficult for himself than they need to be.
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Stoner went to Honda and won a championship with them after Ducati.
He retired because he didn’t have the grit to put up with the pressure.

Being an all time great is not just about being fast. The psychological aspects are important too. When you’re your own worst enemy, doesn’t matter if you have a great team or a sub par one.

As good as Stoner was, he was his own enemy a lot of time and made things more difficult for himself than they need to be.
Remember how Rossi threatened to retire if he had to stay at Ducati, at which point Carmelo worked to get him back to Yamaha against the race teams wishes. Melandri went from promising talent to having to see a shrink and then refusing to go back to the GP recently all because of that bike and factory.

Edit let's add: 2006 mistake under pressure, 2007/2008 ultimatum of give me Bridgestones or I will retire, 2010 ultimatum of favour me over Lorenzo or I'll leave, 2012 ultimatum of if I have to stay at Ducati I'll retire, 2015 total meltdown. Bwing petulant and entitled doesn't mean you're mentally strong, most don't get their own way in doing so. If Rossi had to put up with what Stoner did, he would've been gone a long time ago and if given stoner second rate machinery through 125s, 250s and as he entered the premierclass he might not have ever won a championship.
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Stoner went to Honda and won a championship with them after Ducati.
He retired because he didn’t have the grit to put up with the pressure.

Being an all time great is not just about being fast. The psychological aspects are important too. When you’re your own worst enemy, doesn’t matter if you have a great team or a sub par one.

As good as Stoner was, he was his own enemy a lot of time and made things more difficult for himself than they need to be.
Actually he made the very rational decision that he had nothing more to prove to fans such as you, and that there was no point persisting in a sport which ostensibly exists for the entertainment of fans when the fandom largely consisted of those of your ilk.

Please keep it coming, we haven't had an old-fashioned bopper/member of the Valeban on here to entertain us for a while.
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November 13th, 2017, 04:06 AM   #5
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He’s still here winning races every year while Stoner doesn’t have the balls (or bowel control) to race anymore.
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Lol.

“Bopper”. “Valeban”.

You guys are so clever and utterly original!
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And it’s funny how I didn’t mention Rossi once (and even admitted how Stoner was very good) and yet the mindless drones automatically gravitated towards Rossi bashing.

This forum is hilarious. I will enjoy making some of you squirm.
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Lol.

“Bopper”. “Valeban”.

You guys are so clever and utterly original!
Valeban is unoriginal, as I suspect are you in terms of your advent on this forum.

We may well have invented the term bopper on this very forum as it happens, rather a long time ago.

Whoever you are, what is obvious is that there are a number of posters on this forum with different opinions than are prevalent on many other forums. I don't think many of us are under any illusion that our opinions are other than opinions. I am not sure the same can be said for you and many of your fellow travellers.
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He’s still here winning races every year while Stoner doesn’t have the balls (or bowel control) to race anymore.
So if the CEO of DORNA had not made sure Rossi was on the Yamaha for 2013 but he stayed at Ducati do you think that he would've stuck to his word and retired? Do you think he ever would've actually won a race on the Ducati?

Like I said it's easy to give Stoner shit when he was the whipping boy for everyone and had the hardest path of all the recent world champions to his titles despite showing clear almost unparalleled talent. It's also much more draining I'm sure for the guys who can't actually go home after a race or even during the summer break.
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He’s still here winning races every year while Stoner doesn’t have the balls (or bowel control) to race anymore.
Read his biography. A major contributor to his decision was Simoncelli's death, and the fact that there was such a brief pause before a return to the usual backbiting about non-preferred riders.

Valentino Rossi won many more titles than Stoner did, and all credit to him for winning every single one of them, but I somehow doubt you have won 2 world titles yourself.
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