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November 13th, 2017, 01:45 AM   #81
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2016 m1 is so bad on tyres that Zarco has constitently made the soft tyre work over race distance. The original 2017 didn't seem to wear tyres when Vinales was dominating on it, in comes the new chassis Rossi demanded and once again it destroys rear tyres. I remember at Silverstone Rossi ran a harder tyre than Vinales who ran the softer but Vinales was able to have more pace than Rossi at the end. Maybe Rossi is actually the problem?
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Zarco is extremely good at managing tires. All three of them ran the same chassis in Valencia and only Zarco didn’t suffer from late race tire wear.

Once again, just because Rossi demands a chassis doesn’t mean Viñales has to ride the same. That’s not how factory teams work.
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Zarco is extremely good at managing tires. All three of them ran the same chassis in Valencia and only Zarco didn’t suffer from late race tire wear.

Once again, just because Rossi demands a chassis doesn’t mean Viñales has to ride the same. That’s not how factory teams work.
Ummmm yes it did. Go and find the interviews with the guy. Yamaha refused to allow them to run two different chassis for some reason. Which is why he fought against the new chassis tooth and nail.
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November 13th, 2017, 01:55 AM   #84
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Zarco is extremely good at managing tires. All three of them ran the same chassis in Valencia and only Zarco didn’t suffer from late race tire wear.

Once again, just because Rossi demands a chassis doesn’t mean Viñales has to ride the same. That’s not how factory teams work.
They took away the tyre with which that chassis worked, a change which as I recall Vinales voted against. I think it is vaguely possible Rossi had a role in that tyre vote coming about.
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November 13th, 2017, 01:59 AM   #85
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They, meaning 20 other riders?
Did Rossi leave a Horse’s head in all their beds, godfather style?
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They, meaning 20 other riders?
Did Rossi leave a Horse’s head in all their beds, godfather style?
Watch the Argentina press conference if you want to know what actually happened. It's spoken about at real length. Then line up Michelins ever changing press releases with what the riders say.
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Yes, Rossi was the first to note that the new tyre blew.

Took a couple of races and most others fell in line. Funny enough, Márquez profited most from it.

Viñales has no problems piloting the Suzuki to impressive results with the “Old new” tyre in 216.
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I'd say the opposite, if he's not suiting up and getting on the bike with the intentions of competing for the championship then he should retire. The only reason to race is to attempt to win, intentionally being a wingman like Pedrosa is lame and hard to respect.
I think Pedrosa while very good doesn’t quite have it in terms of putting a complete season together which is different to him not wanting to win; I recall him worthily winning Sachsenring 2012 if you don’t. He has mostly been better than alternatives, just as Valentino was undoubtedly a superior rider to the likes of Pol Espargaro among contenders for the other Yamaha seat for the 2013 season, but imo has been in the seat too long regardless as I have just said. What he has done since 2006 anyway is to work in his team’s interests and largely co-operatively with team mates, or at least has not actively undermined team-mates.
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Yes, Rossi was the first to note that the new tyre blew.

Took a couple of races and most others fell in line. Funny enough, Márquez profited most from it.

Viñales has no problems piloting the Suzuki to impressive results with the “Old new” tyre in 216.
The riders at the time of the original test called the #70 tyre unrideable. Michelin went away and worked on the tyre and had it back for Argentina as new and improved. At that stage only one rider had asked for a different construction on the tyre.
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And among the ones who didn’t ask for it to be revised was a guy who didn’t seem like the season was going his way, managed to turn it around once the tire was revised and went on to win the championship.

Rossi might no longer be the fastest guy out there, but he does have more experience than any other rider in the paddock. Maybe, just maybe when he says something isn’t working, it is actually because he knows his stuff.
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