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November 8th, 2017, 09:49 AM   #31
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Vinales' problems started before the 06 tire: he was using the 06 at Jerez, as I pointed out already, and what happened there? I understand that traction problems are sometimes difficult to separate from tire problems (and electronics problems), but that's clear enough.
No bike is going to be perfect at every track. Even Marquez struggled at a few in 2014. You simply cannot deny how dominant Vinales was during testing and the start of the season and how mediocre he has been since the tire change. Complete opposite for Marquez and Dovi. Rossi desperately wanted a different tire and used the Yamaha struggle at Jerez to convince Yamaha there was a problem. Iím still waiting for anyone to honestly answer the question, If Rossi won 3 of the first 5 races and had a commanding points lead, would he have demanded tire and chassis changes on the 2017 M1
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No bike is going to be perfect at every track. Even Marquez struggled at a few in 2014. You simply cannot deny how dominant Vinales was during testing and the start of the season and how mediocre he has been since the tire change. Complete opposite for Marquez and Dovi. Rossi desperately wanted a different tire and used the Yamaha struggle at Jerez to convince Yamaha there was a problem. Iím still waiting for anyone to honestly answer the question, If Rossi won 3 of the first 5 races and had a commanding points lead, would he have demanded tire and chassis changes on the 2017 M1
Obviously not. As an aside I've just watched the pre race conference at Valencia, where was Vinales? Certainly wasn't there, instead they have Rossi in, the man that has basically fucked Vinales at being able to come 2nd in the championship. Seems to me that yamahahaha only care about sales and not getting the best of either Honda or Ducati.
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Obviously not. As an aside I've just watched the pre race conference at Valencia, where was Vinales? Certainly wasn't there, instead they have Rossi in, the man that has basically fucked Vinales at being able to come 2nd in the championship. Seems to me that yamahahaha only care about sales and not getting the best of either Honda or Ducati.
Or first in the championship. I believe Marquez and Dovi both would have had much different years without the tir change.
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I get that having Rossi on the team is good for the hat and t shirt sales. However, a major bike manufacturer wants to sell bikes. Winning races and world championships furthers that goal.

As long as Rossi is there and the longer he mismanages development, along with further cementing a reputation for not tolerating teammates, the less desirable that second seat will become to new hot talent.

Rossi who? Whaddya done for me lately pal?
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I get that having Rossi on the team is good for the hat and t shirt sales. However, a major bike manufacturer wants to sell bikes. Winning races and world championships furthers that goal.

As long as Rossi is there and the longer he mismanages development, along with further cementing a reputation for not tolerating teammates, the less desirable that second seat will become to new hot talent.

Rossi who? Whaddya done for me lately pal?
It's more to do with the sponsorship he brings and his presence and how that influences ticket sales and gives leverage to Dorna when selling rights to air time. Whilst Rossi technically is not an employee of Dorna - he and his team do get all kinds of commercial considerations from Dorna that favorably affect the team in myriad ways. I don't think MotoGp outcomes really affect the street bike market nearly as much as some would believe. Sales of superbikes have been flat for the last 8 years. I've always believed that MotoGp is more about publicity and prestige, as opposed to just selling more street bikes.
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It's more to do with the sponsorship he brings and his presence and how that influences ticket sales and gives leverage to Dorna when selling rights to air time. Whilst Rossi technically is not an employee of Dorna - he and his team do get all kinds of commercial considerations from Dorna that favorably affect the team in myriad ways. I don't think MotoGp outcomes really affect the street bike market nearly as much as some would believe. Sales of superbikes have been flat for the last 8 years.
If you're buying a Yamaha R1 because of Valentino Rossi, my theory is you probably shouldn't be riding a liter bike. Just my two cents personally.
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If you're buying a Yamaha R1 because of Valentino Rossi, my theory is you probably shouldn't be riding a liter bike. Just my two cents personally.
It is probably more a halo effect . He is immensely popular in Asia apparently, and iirc members have posted about frequent sightings of much smaller bikes adorned with Rossi paraphernalia in that part of the world.

They were also struggling for sponsorship in the years he was away. Not much point being a well sponsored also-ran, and I don't imagine they will accept such a situation indefinitely, but they may well have plans to keep Rossi inspired sponsorship of Yamaha going long term, although current talk seems to be of his own team rather than his being the factory team a la Agostini and Roberts.
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If you're buying a Yamaha R1 because of Valentino Rossi, my theory is you probably shouldn't be riding a liter bike. Just my two cents personally.
My brother's neighbour is a huge Rossi fan, he's aiming to get a motorcycle driving license and plans to get a R1 in 2 years (here you're restricted to a 125cc bike for the first 2 years). Not the brightest fella if you ask me
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No bike is going to be perfect at every track. Even Marquez struggled at a few in 2014. You simply cannot deny how dominant Vinales was during testing and the start of the season and how mediocre he has been since the tire change. Complete opposite for Marquez and Dovi. Rossi desperately wanted a different tire and used the Yamaha struggle at Jerez to convince Yamaha there was a problem. Iím still waiting for anyone to honestly answer the question, If Rossi won 3 of the first 5 races and had a commanding points lead, would he have demanded tire and chassis changes on the 2017 M1
I'm afraid this entire theory would not stand even with a concrete pillar supporting it.

Vinales was brilliant in the season opening with the old tire, but Rossi wasn't that shabby either -- he was always on the podium and came to Europe leading the championship, after all.

Then in Europe both he and Vinales hit the problems at Jerez, a track where Yamahas had always been at the top, and this was before all the changes supposed to have spoiled the M1 "intentionally". In Le mans the two factory Yamahas still dominated. Then in the very first race with new tire, Mugello, Vinales was contending for the win. So...

A key factor has actually been the growth of the competition, namely Honda and Ducati, just as Yamaha's hidden problems came out. Lorenzo has recently said that Honda and Ducati made a step forward during the season, while Yamaha didn't manage it.
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J4rn0, the only person continually stating that the M1 was spoiled intentionally is yourself.
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