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November 13th, 2017, 02:31 AM   #91
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At the end of 2016, Rossi told Yamaha that the 2016 chassis had great feeling, but it chewed through tyres. Yamaha went back to the drawing board and came back with something that he immediately told was not great. Vinales went fast on it in the test tracks that are nothing like most of the tracks on the calendar. This masked the big defects in that chassis. Rossi on the other hand, made the mistake of thinking that the tyre was the problem. All this lead to months of dredging along in the wrong direction.

...and Rossi was proven right when both he and Vinales said after Valencia that the 2016 chassis felt great (But ate tyres like it did before). The same Vinales who originally said the 2017 bike was better.

None of this has anything to do with Lorenzo's presence or absence.



this wouldn't happen to be the 2016M1 currebtly saddled by one Johan Zarco? Whom regularly runs races on soft option tyres.

Maybe your right. Zarco is likely on Lorenzos old M1.
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See the post above on why Zarco is doing well on it.
Lorenzo complained about tire wear in 2016 too, he just didn’t push it as much as he was on his way out.
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Rossi might no longer be the fastest guy out there, but he does have more experience than any other rider in the paddock. Maybe, just maybe when he says something isnít working, it is actually because he knows his stuff.
Is " his stuff" sabotage? Cos Yamaha are going backwards whilst they are listening to rossis "stuff" ...... indeed they are "stuffed" ..... rossi stuffed.
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Yes, one year of going backwards over more than a decade of the opposite.
Quite the sabotage. Lay off the pipe, will ya?
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And among the ones who didnít ask for it to be revised was a guy who didnít seem like the season was going his way, managed to turn it around once the tire was revised and went on to win the championship.

Rossi might no longer be the fastest guy out there, but he does have more experience than any other rider in the paddock. Maybe, just maybe when he says something isnít working, it is actually because he knows his stuff.
Again, riders weren't given an option of having the #70 tyre revised and went with the tyre they were able to ride on. If the rider vote 22-1 against any other rider Michelin never would've went back and worked on the tyre that was voted out. Don't be so obvious to why the tyre was changed and why the riders originally vetoed the new tyre. The problem is not that a new(and probably better) tyre was bought in but that Michelin either by themselves or instructed by DORNA moved and earth to give Rossi the tyre he wanted. Of those that voted for the new tyre, Redding for one came out and said he voted for it because it was going to happen anyway and Miller on the Australian broadcast said that he had a better feeling with the original tyre and has taken a long time to get the feel of the new tyre. That's two guys straight away that preferred the original tyre but voted for the new one and you have to wonder just how many voted the way they did because they were either told to do so or figured it was going to happen anyway.

The #70 is definitely superior than the one that the riders started on despite Yamahas problems with it. The tyre looks to be far more consistent than the #06 tyre and the racing most probably wouldn't have been as good on the #06.

For the record though, Rossi at first blamed his problems not on the chassis but the tyre. Once he got the tyre he wanted he blamed the chassis, once he got the chassis he wanted and his results got worse he like Vinales was totally lost and admitted that they have no idea how to fix the problem. So really Rossi isn't sure what the problems are but there was no such issues when Lorenzo was the one being listened to.
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See the post above on why Zarco is doing well on it.
Lorenzo complained about tire wear in 2016 too, he just didnít push it as much as he was on his way out.
Folger was doing a pretty damn good job before he got sick. When's the last time someone was able to get that close to Marquez in Germany?
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Yes, one year of going backwards over more than a decade of the opposite.
Quite the sabotage. Lay off the pipe, will ya?
Most of that decade had Lorenzo in it, including 2 years where Rossi wasn't there and Lorenzo was winning or contending for championships.

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As for bringing up Sepang to show that Lorenzo and Dovi weren't getting along... There plenty of photos and videos of Lorenzo celebrating wIth Dovi. Do you think that Lorenzo may have been unhappy after Sepang because his team decided and demanded that he not win the race and give the position to Dovi? How would Rossi react to ring told to let Vinales through? Probably the same way he reacts to having a competitive team mate.
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See the post above on why Zarco is doing well on it.
Lorenzo complained about tire wear in 2016 too, he just didn’t push it as much as he was on his way out.
If your speaking of the valencia result. No shit sherlock. Zarco has been riding the 16 bike all year, Rossi and Vinales jumped on it on Saturday from what i know.
On that alone I wouldn't doubt this result in forethought. (not sure if that is a word - opposite of afterthought.) Correct me someone.


In saying though, rossi should have had a decent baseline setting.
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Folger did do very well in Germany. I am a huge fan himself.
But he has been nowhere as consistent as Zarco (neither was he in Moto2) to draw any conclusions on tyre wear on his bike.
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