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October 22nd, 2017, 09:28 AM   #81
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I was suprised to see marquez using the soft rear and dovi the medium. I thought ducati on average uses a softer tyre then the honda. But maybe that's the front tyres and not the rear.
There was a bit of messing about with tires where Dovi said he was using the soft, and then in fact used the medium. His strategy clearly was to have more tire left at the end as his advantage. If he hadn't blown that turn early in the race - he could have made it work. Once settled in he was turning out laptimes comparable to the front three.
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He did say he would've come back for Motegi if there was a two week break between races.

Rossi goent upset wh Marquez said in the post race presser that he used the same strategy as he did in 2015.




He will just have to get over it, that strategy has netted him 2 wins in 2 tries. The other strategy has netted him 3 dnf's. Rossi may want to examine his life and happiness and conclude that the leach is dragging him down like a bad wife will do. Uccio is Rossi's Puig
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As hinted at early in the year, this is a "Classic" season. Watching all the passing between the first 7 riders, I was distracted by the thought that it should be like his all the time. Great to see Iannone show some of his former spirit. Good to know he's not mentally broken.

Nothing new to say about MM. All been said. What a stalker he is.

Pity about Dovi.

Fun actually, to see Vale in Parc Ferme who clearly had more fun than he'd ever thought he'd have at his age. Only time I've ever seen him have a spontaneous laugh. "Stupid" indeed! He was totally giddy.
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As hinted at early in the year, this is a "Classic" season. Watching all the passing between the first 7 riders, I was distracted by the thought that it should be like his all the time. Great to see Iannone show some of his former spirit. Good to know he's not mentally broken.

Nothing new to say about MM. All been said. What a stalker he is.

Pity about Dovi.

Fun actually, to see Vale in Parc Ferme who clearly had more fun than he'd ever thought he'd have at his age. Only time I've ever seen him have a spontaneous laugh. "Stupid" indeed! He was totally giddy.
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There was a bit of messing about with tires where Dovi said he was using the soft, and then in fact used the medium. His strategy clearly was to have more tire left at the end as his advantage. If he hadn't blown that turn early in the race - he could have made it work. Once settled in he was turning out laptimes comparable to the front three.
Only for a while, around lap 16-17 he started losing huge chunks of time per lap to the leaders, sometimes over a second a lap. I can only assume his rear gave up as he even got blitzed coming out of final turn to lose an additional 2 positions at the line.
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Only for a while, around lap 16-17 he started losing huge chunks of time per lap to the leaders, sometimes over a second a lap. I can only assume his rear gave up as he even got blitzed coming out of final turn to lose an additional 2 positions at the line.
Quite strange really because one of Dovi's strengths this year has been tyre management. Maybe he got a dud tyre. His crash in fp4 may have been an issue for his setup.
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It looked to me that Marquez sat up mid corner to give Rossi a little purposeful nudge. I thought it might be intentional
Was thinking the same thing.
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Only for a while, around lap 16-17 he started losing huge chunks of time per lap to the leaders, sometimes over a second a lap. I can only assume his rear gave up as he even got blitzed coming out of final turn to lose an additional 2 positions at the line.
He had massive wheel spin coming out of the final corner onto the Gardner Straight which was what cost him those crucial positions to Redding and Pedrosa.
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Quite strange really because one of Dovi's strengths this year has been tyre management. Maybe he got a dud tyre. His crash in fp4 may have been an issue for his setup.
Don't think it was a dud.

My opinion is the Ducati was destined to struggle around Phillip Island because the circuit pretty much forces the bikes to be leaned over continually from the Doohan Corner all the way through turn 12. The Gardner Straight is the only real time the bike stays on the tire center for any sustained time to let the heat dissipate from the tire. The rest of the circuit is constantly loading the tire, something that does not play well to the Ducati at all because they haven't figured out how to design a chassis that works well with their engine configuration. Though I suspect had Stoner ridden the GP17, he would have done as well as he ever did at Phillip Island since it would have probably been extremely loose, something that does not play to any of their rider's strengths. Hence where the winglets come in most everywhere else, they provide much needed stability to cover up the chassis deficiencies that I mentioned in the MM GOAT topic.

No one really wants to admit Dovizioso is only where he is because of the winglets. He'll be fine at Malaysia next weekend because there is plenty of time to cool down the outside of the tire carcass unlike at Phillip Island. It's why they do great at drag strip circuits like the Red Bull Ring and not so good now at PI where it's all about cornering speeds. Engineering sacrifices were made in favor of the winglets, and well, also with the hopes Yamaha and Honda would cannibalize each other enough. Gigi practically was praying for MM to crash out of races, and he may still get his wish at Sepang. But the nice thing is MM doesn't need to win the grand prix there. He can ride to P2 or even less depending on where Dovizioso goes. Though the stronger the Yamaha's are, the better that is for MM since he can just ride to position rather than take excessive risks.

Whether Jum is trolling or not with his 'Dovi is better than MM' comments as of late, it's hilarious to read since everyone knows MM was given for 2 years running the worst of the three major factory bikes. I still remember that wheel spin coming out of the final corner at Losail in 2015 and 2016 that people have forgotten about. HRC didn't get the RC213V sorted out till this summer. You do what you have to do to win. Ducati wants to continue with their 90 V4 with Desmodromic valves, and that is fine. But to win at this level consistently, it's not the right package. You guys are too caught up in the artisanal Ducati bullshit. That line of thinking was what led the Scuderia Ferrari teams of yore to hold onto their V12's well into the 1990s when the engines were liabilities due to weight and fuel consumption penalties.

Dovizioso is not an alien. He's a nice likable guy who people want to see win a title. He could still win in spite of the points deficit, but if he wins it's not going to be because he was somehow more talented than MM. I've already said MM is of another level of talent altogether. He pretty much fucked with the entire field today with his pace. Dovizioso doesn't have the requisite ability to do anything like that unless it is in the rain. It's the sort of thing Vale used to do once upon a time when we were all much younger and the competition wasn't what it was now. Phillip Island is great for giving an idea of what talent is, and yes you still need a halfway decent machine underneath you. I think it showed us more than anything what the reality of the Ducati is and regardless of what the title outcome is, they need to seriously consider their engine configuration for the future IMO if they want to be a serious threat to the Japanese hegemony in this series.
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Was thinking the same thing.
Wouldn't that risk him crashing though? Be dumb to do on purpose when he had the chance to put Dovi's hopes to bed.
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