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October 7th, 2017, 11:41 AM   #101
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The person making a claim bears the onus of producing evidence in support.

Here's the head of Michelin showing that everything you've said is wrong:

MotoGP France: Michelin: Riders voted against having both tyres | News
Coz Gouberts so reliable... Like I said I'm not wasting my time. Others here will back up what I told you. And if you bothered to watch the press conference it's covered so many times.

The article you pulled up is from after Jerez.
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The person making a claim bears the onus of producing evidence in support.

Here's the head of Michelin showing that everything you've said is wrong:

MotoGP France: Michelin: Riders voted against having both tyres | News
RCV600RR, there's a great thread here somewhere that answers all your questions and frankly rebuts much of your skepticism.

Just from the article you link, notice the caveat: "for one or two races". How is the significance of that condition lost?

Since you've been interacting more here, I've come to realize you're a decent person, a fan of the sport, and willing to keep an open mind about some stuff. I submit to you that you look beyond the official line. You can point to a "vote" by the riders on the #70, but please realize the fact they were given the ultimatum on a previously REJECTED tire means you should look at this supposed mechanism of democracy with suspicion. That tire was rejected 22-1. It then reappeared for another "vote".

There is a pre-event presser where Rossi admits Michelin informed him during a call that he was the only one with the opposing tire preference. Then this previously rejected tire was attempted to be reintroduced at Argentina.

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RCV600RR, there's a great thread here somewhere that answers all your questions and frankly rebuts much of your skepticism. .......

....he was the only one with the opposing tire preference. Then this previously rejected tire was attempted to be reintroduced at Argentina.

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There is this one: Michelin 070 chosen
And this one is good: Argentina Race
There is one more, I believe.
I think there is enough evidence to make the 070 tire choice rather suspect. The quotes from the safety meeting with the riders is particularly telling.
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RCV600RR, there's a great thread here somewhere that answers all your questions and frankly rebuts much of your skepticism.

Just from the article you link, notice the caveat: "for one or two races". How is the significance of that condition lost?

Since you've been interacting more here, I've come to realize you're a decent person, a fan of the sport, and willing to keep an open mind about some stuff. I submit to you that you look beyond the official line. You can point to a "vote" by the riders on the #70, but please realize the fact they were given the ultimatum on a previously REJECTED tire means you should look at this supposed mechanism of democracy with suspicion. That tire was rejected 22-1. It then reappeared for another "vote".

There is a pre-event presser where Rossi admits Michelin informed him during a call that he was the only one with the opposing tire preference. Then this previously rejected tire was attempted to be reintroduced at Argentina.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
Thanks for the post. I missed that distinction between the "for one or two races".

It looks like there was a two-stage vote.

First, there was a vote as to which tyre to use. The harder (please pardon my simplistic reference) was chosen.

Then, there was a second vote as to whether the softer tyre should be kept for another race or two. That was also rejected (for the reasons you mention above).

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/mot...-summary-2017/

https://motomatters.com/analysis/201..._the_tire.html

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Andrea Dovizioso: GOAT of last lap duels against Marc Marquez.

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Andrea Dovizioso: GOAT of last lap duels against Marc Marquez.

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Even Wayne Rainey had to learn how to beat Eddie Lawson.

Don't be that simplistic Jum. Marc is a triple world champion at 23 and still learning. That in itself should be terrifying to any long-time observer of the sport, such as yourself. You're lowering yourself to a Hack Oxley clickbait style post there.
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This was the point.

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I think Dovi has been incredible in those past two duels. Both times he has been able to put pressure on Marquez from behind and then taken advantage of the mistake Marquez has made. That last pass was other worldly though.
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I think Dovi has been incredible in those past two duels. Both times he has been able to put pressure on Marquez from behind and then taken advantage of the mistake Marquez has made. That last pass was other worldly though.
Sure. I am always surprised when MM doesnít crash in these situations given how far he pushes it, but this time I absolutely donít understand how Dovi kept the Ducati upright.
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Sure. I am always surprised when MM doesnít crash in these situations given how far he pushes it, but this time I absolutely donít understand how Dovi kept the Ducati upright.
When I saw how far back he was coming from my immediate thought was that's gonna be the championship gone right there. I didn't think he had a chance at pulling that up.
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