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October 5th, 2017, 03:36 AM   #91
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IMO here, but if Marquez wants to be a GOAT, he needs to firstly start thinking like a GOAT, then eating like a GOAT and finally, looking like a GOAT.

Now, this will mean some sacrifices as he will need to grow a larger face and let the hair grow, plus he will need to walk on all fours and start climbing some pretty steep hills.

But from what I have seen of him as a human, I do feel that he likes a challenge and can see him making a great fist of this being a GOAT, but it will take time so we can't expect him to suddenly become a GOAT although I do wait with interest the transition.

Afterall, he may well be 'trans species'
Speaking of here's Marc with another save.

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That there maybe a contender of the goats. Though gary's got him covered.
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That there maybe a contender of the goats. Though gary's got him covered.
At least we know what Stoner does in retirement now....
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Oh I'm already on record as saying Rossi has talent numerous times. At any rate, all one has to do is watch Rossi at Donington 2005 to know he has talent. One can think he is talented and still think he is a scumbag. Doesn't require any mental gymnastics to do such a thing.

I think what has been said is Dorna has actively attempted to manipulate the technical regulations to benefit Rossi. This year was a good example with Option #70's reintroduction at his request. That is quite accurate and not up for debate. Though you've been attempting to debate just that for a bit from what I can ascertain from the posts of yours I have read.
I thought Krop said that almost every rider wanted #70?
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I thought Krop said that almost every rider wanted #70?
I'm pretty sure it's been explained to you plenty of times what happened with that. They wanted the new and improved version that Michelin had taken away and worked on after everybody but Rossi rejected it.
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I thought Krop said that almost every rider wanted #70?
Don't pay attention to what Krop says, he might as well be a Dorna employee . Goubert is on record as saying Rossi is the only rider complaining about the tire. When that was reported , numerous people here predicted a stiffer tire would be introduced and low and behold it was. Redding said the vote was a joke because everyone knew what was going down and it really wasn't going to affect many riders so they just went with it because it was going to happen. Lorenzo and Vinales both lobbied to keep both tires as the fair thing to do but this wasn't about being fair , it was about keeping Rossi and his fans happy so the cash kept flowing
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Don't pay attention to what Krop says, he might as well be a Dorna employee . Goubert is on record as saying Rossi is the only rider complaining about the tire. When that was reported , numerous people here predicted a stiffer tire would be introduced and low and behold it was. Redding said the vote was a joke because everyone knew what was going down and it really wasn't going to affect many riders so they just went with it because it was going to happen. Lorenzo and Vinales both lobbied to keep both tires as the fair thing to do but this wasn't about being fair , it was about keeping Rossi and his fans happy so the cash kept flowing
I recall that Rossi (and possibly MM?) was the only one who initially complained - I agree with you there. I also recall that the chorus of voices agreeing with him gradually grew to the point that virtually everyone wanted it.

From your comment above, you appear to be conceding that virtually everyone voted for it? So do you consider that Krops was or wasn't lying about the fact that virtually everyone voted for the change?

As powerful as Rossi is, he's not so strong so as to make the grid vote for a tyre he likes! These are alpha male motorcycle racers, not toddlers.
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I'm pretty sure it's been explained to you plenty of times what happened with that. They wanted the new and improved version that Michelin had taken away and worked on after everybody but Rossi rejected it.
I haven't seen any explanations "to [me]" at all, so your bar of being "pretty sure" appears to be concerningly low.

In any case, evidence is the key, mate, not "explanations".

I can explain to you that the only reason Doohan won all of his world titles is that a small elf would break into Criville's garage every night and slither his tyres with extra virgin olive oil...but without evidence, it's hard to take my explanation seriously.
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I recall that Rossi (and possibly MM?) was the only one who initially complained - I agree with you there. I also recall that the chorus of voices agreeing with him gradually grew to the point that virtually everyone wanted it.

From your comment above, you appear to be conceding that virtually everyone voted for it? So do you consider that Krops was or wasn't lying about the fact that virtually everyone voted for the change?

As powerful as Rossi is, he's not so strong so as to make the grid vote for a tyre he likes! These are alpha male motorcycle racers, not toddlers.
The original tyre was called almost unrideable by Marquez. All riders but Rossi voted for the tyre they started the season on. After Qatar the riders asked for harder rubber on the tyre. Michelin decided this meant that the new proved Rossi tyre should be bought to Argentina but it's use was vetoed by the riders. Michelin stated publically that the riders had asked for a stiffer construction, the riders including Marquez state publically that it wasn't true and they had asked for harder rubber. The fact is that one rider voted for the #70 before the season had started and instead of improving the tyre that was chosen by all but one rider, Michelin went back and revised the #70 tyre and used the first excuse they could find to bring it to a weekend. It's important to know that at the meeting where the tyre was rejected that one of the riders yelled at Capirossi and said something along the lines of 'you don't bring me soecial tyres when I have a shit weekend' fact is, the majority of the riders felt the same way at the time the new tyre was proposed.

You might want evidence, so go back read every article you can pre and post Argentina but then more importantly watch all the press conferences. Watch for the inconsistencies in Michelins ever changing story and how the riders directly contradict what Michelin reports.
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The original tyre was called almost unrideable by Marquez. All riders but Rossi voted for the tyre they started the season on. After Qatar the riders asked for harder rubber on the tyre. Michelin decided this meant that the new proved Rossi tyre should be bought to Argentina but it's use was vetoed by the riders. Michelin stated publically that the riders had asked for a stiffer construction, the riders including Marquez state publically that it wasn't true and they had asked for harder rubber. The fact is that one rider voted for the #70 before the season had started and instead of improving the tyre that was chosen by all but one rider, Michelin went back and revised the #70 tyre and used the first excuse they could find to bring it to a weekend. It's important to know that at the meeting where the tyre was rejected that one of the riders yelled at Capirossi and said something along the lines of 'you don't bring me soecial tyres when I have a shit weekend' fact is, the majority of the riders felt the same way at the time the new tyre was proposed.

You might want evidence, so go back read every article you can pre and post Argentina but then more importantly watch all the press conferences. Watch for the inconsistencies in Michelins ever changing story and how the riders directly contradict what Michelin reports.
The person making a claim bears the onus of producing evidence in support.

Here's the head of Michelin showing that everything you've said is wrong:

MotoGP France: Michelin: Riders voted against having both tyres | News
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