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September 10th, 2017, 03:01 PM   #81
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They had a choice? ...
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He could be talking Cal with a kitchen knife.
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The race kind of unfolded like i thought it would. Marquez, what can you say, the dude has the heart of a lion. He was willing to finish 2nd- 3rd as he didnt try and follow Lorenzo and it played out, Lorenzo tossed it down the road making the podium fight a fight for the win. Dovi and Vinales both did great jobs in damage limitation, especially Vinales. He could have easily given way to better rain riders with nothing to lose [Miller and Crutchlow] but kept them at bay. Even though i wanted Marquez to win, i would have been fine with Petrucci, seems like a solid guy. Now for the ugly side, Rossi's fans. Even though its bush league to boo, ok, show the world how low class you are by booing the winner of a race. Cheering for a crash is totally different though, that is about as low as you can go. These Trogs are the 2nd lowest form of of sport fans in the world as they havent resorted to hacking the heads off of players who disappoint them, YET.
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Marquez is a shark--a fantastic creature perfected for it purpose and compelled by nature when it smells blood. Marc's instinct when faced with a win is simply primal. We've seen some amazing single laps by Marquez, just as recently as Silverstone pole, but this last lap, in these conditions, with the backdrop of what is on the line, i just feel fortunate to be watching.

It must also be mentioned, but im fascinated that many who were in attendance, experiencing the conditions first hand, watching the drama unfold, and supposedly there at some level to witness an appreciation and understanding of 'motorcycle racing' ( frankly unique in motorsport) would see this last lap with their own eyes, then with similar primal instinct except in reverse, run out to the podium ceremony in part to execute what their nature demanded, to boo, jeer, and express their disaproval to the thrill of motorcycling excelence they just witnessed moments before.

Actually, we dont need to look much further than this forum to see a window into this mindset, every time MissAngel makes an appearance it's something of an aperture into this unique cult mentality, exemplified by today's audible cheers when Lorenzo crashed. The sound engineers didnt even have to manipulate the sound mix as the chorus by the spectators was loud enough to drown out the exhaust note and commentators' voice. Commentators who usually make a point of alerting us of the sound mixer's cue that Rossi has just done something we should approve.

Dovi & Vinalez were smart to take the points. After seeing Moto2/3 it was the right bet. I should also ask, how many riders must crash before Race Indiscretion deems the conditions unsafe?

Other mentionables, this was a great opportunity for Lorenzo which he threw away. He should pray for rain again, ah the irony. Loris Baz deserves to be in MotoGP, a man who quietly goes about his business. Despite the crash, his effort up to that point was commendable. Zarco pushing his bike across the finish line was great. Michelin in most races continues to be detrimental to Pedrosa, wet or dry. I expected more from Miller today. i cant be sympathetic to Lowes, he really needed to finish, but it's looking like despite Hack Oxley's typical pro-pagand, he just cant ride for the bloke from the seat of his keyboard.

Well done to Petrux. He looked like his dog had just died in parc ferme. He did the best he could. He was a fish today in the wet, but there was a shark in the water.


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What do you expect Jumkie? On a previous occasion when MM rode such a last lap to win a race after moments nearly as massive as those in this race earlier in the race it was interpreted by Uccio, Rossi and the Valeban that he had tanked until the last lap of that race.
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We could propose a 'doctoral' dissertation on the mindset of the Yellow Minions. It's got to be some kind discernible genetic glitch waiting to be discovered by medical science. To use a parody on a quote made famous to highlight Rossi’s momentary failure in the rain, to then employ it because your yellow instinct by nature compels you to clamor on Lorenzo's crash today is intriguing stuff. This is not and example of irony, it's a far more fascinating affliction you exhibit.


What reigning World Champion Marc Marquez had to say about today's cheering of Lorenzo's crash. How is it that Rossi is called the grand old statesman and 38 year old veteran while he acts like a petulant child whilst this young man is the voice of reason?

And let me reiterate, the media is complicit as much as Rossi himself. Oh, we'll see them suddenly saying yeah it's bad to cheer crashes, but their general timidness on the subject so as not to ruffle Rossi’s sentiments or his fans has been deafening. They made more hoopla over writing and asking every rider in the paddock about Rossi's training heroics than asking everyone to comment on Rossi's fans behavior and the man himself who has egged it on.


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If you want to draw parallels to Jerez 2011 the apposite comparison is Simoncelli, who threw his bike down the road whilst well in the lead as a non contender taking risks for a win in conditions which gave him a chance.

The context for Rossi's Jerez 2011 adventure was entirely different, even apart from Stoner in effect returning a previous compliment from Rossi by using the phrase concerned. Stoner was the contender, riding within himself and happy to let Rossi go, and Rossi made an egregiously stupid passing attempt which even the figuratively and possibly literally blind Nick Harris vehemently called unfeasible in the moment, which actually took Stoner out.

I haven't had an opportunity to look at MM's comments in the video you linked, but the comments from the Valeban were rather telling, particularly when you remember Rossi continues not to resile from his narrative about late season 2015 and is hence entirely complicit in all this as you and I have frequently argued. As per my previous post, you would think anyone vaguely sentient might have noted that MM just pulled out a similar last lap to his last lap at PI 2015 when a contender in a tight title race to beat a non-contender, rather belying the tanking narrative in regard to that 2015 race which is where all this started. As you and I have both said, it is what he does. The Valeban adherents are correct that MM was a dangerous rider earlier in his career, but what this has to do with cheering crashes and booing race winners on the podium I am unable to discern, just as I don't recall MM doing anything dangerous in the Valencia 2015 race, a race which one cultist cites as justification for their attitude.

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Everyone keeps talking about Dovi's consistency but Marquez is even on points and race wins despite 2 more DNFs one of which was out of his control. He had been the most consistent rider this season without exception IMO.
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Everyone keeps talking about Dovi's consistency but Marquez is even on points and race wins despite 2 more DNFs one of which was out of his control. He had been the most consistent rider this season without exception IMO.
I'm not sure you understand the word consistency after reading this post.
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