Originally Posted by JPSLotus

For those who were sorry to see Petrucci miss out on his maiden grand prix victory, to that I say, good, fuck him. Don’t forget this is the guy who rode off the circuit to cede position to Rossi at Valencia ’15.-JPS

Originally Posted by michaelm

Sure, of course it is logically possible for both Jumkie and Rossi to be conspiracy theorists.

My point, not as strongly in regard to you as several others, is that it seems disproportionate to be so upset by a few people on an obscure internet forum having anti-Rossi views given his own career long vendettas against other riders very much in the wider world, and particularly his own recent conspiracy theories against his 2 most recent major rivals, hardly undistinguished bike riders themselves, promulgated to the whole world on the very broad platform available to him, and also in the face of opinion on most media including most other internet forums still running very much Rossi's way.

Originally Posted by Gaz

May have already read it (have seen a few where Nakamoto constantly talks about CS' use of little electronics and his throttle control ............ I have seen a lot of comments from Nakamoto who was, well 'infatuated' with CS and what he could do on a bike, much like the Preziosi, Gabbarini of the world. When you see/read from that level it is often interesting to see their comparisons although I do always read with a taint of 'who is their current rider' if they mention that rider as you would not want to risk harming the working relationship

IMO here but it is a shame that relationship ended the way it did

Originally Posted by RCV600RR

Sure - but I don't sit here claiming that I have a monopoly on the truth. I have my views, I acknowledge when the evidence is strong, and I acknowledge when it's weak, and I acknowledge when it's imperfect.

Regarding Valencia 15, I happily admit that despite my view of Marc's riding at Valencia, I cannot be sure. I've set out my reasons for the view, and others have set out their reasons against. I think almost all of the reasons mentioned have some merit. I weigh certain reasons more heavily than others - hence my difference of opinion - but I never claim that others are wrong when the evidence is so imperfect and questionable on a point.

Regarding PI 2015, I think, beyond reasonable doubt, Rossi's claim was incorrect. However, I would not go so far as to say it's certainly incorrect, as:

- I haven't ridden 300 GPs like VR and can't entirely discount that he saw something on the bike that a layperson on TV can't; and
- I heard an anecdote, of questionable credibility, that Alzamora told Rossi after the PI race that MM was still upset about Argentina.

These, of course, are very weak reasons. As such, I cannot reasonably suggest that Rossi's claim was correct based on such weak reasons. Rather, I feel that all of the other - much more compelling - evidence from PI 2015 points to the fact that MM was riding normally.

But I try to adjust my conclusions for possible facts (appropriately weighted for veracity).

I never see Jumkie doing that when it comes to VR. He sits and rants for 10,000 words as if he were a prosecutor seeking a conviction. He'll never concede when his evidence is questionable, open to interpretation, or even opposed by other evidence. For those reasons, I caveat his theories accordingly.



The two matters aren't mutually exclusive. The fact of Rossi's poor behavior (or really, anyone's) does not excuse or somehow condition (at least what I consider) instances of Jumkie's conspiratorial bent. Each man is judged on his own conduct.

Originally Posted by RCV600RR

I can understand anti-Rossi views. He's quite a ruthless competitor, but I more object to the one-sided treatment that is becoming the norm here (not in your case, to be clear). By all means, criticise his poor behavior, but the campaign to portray him as a talentless fraud that competes on a grid single-mindedly stacked in his favour merits objection.

For the record, I'm not upset at all. I've probably made 30 posts in the last six months, on various topics. I only really raised the Rossi matter in the last month, given the volume of group-think I've seen on this matter - and the specific thread raising the question (i.e. this one).

Originally Posted by RCV600RR

Nakamoto reckons CS's throttle control was much better.

CS is better on exit, MM is better on entry.