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September 12th, 2017, 02:52 PM   #71
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I think a conspiracy to help Lorenzo because he is a fellow Spaniard is very unlikely. A slightly more plausible notion and one which Rossi may believe is that MM wants to be the 8/10 times or more world champion and thwart Rossi from being so, but this would also be reflective of Rossi's obsession with same if I am to be totally hypocritical and dabble in cod psychology.
Yep. We can't say that there was no MM help as a matter of certainty, but I think we can say with a high degree of confidence that Rossi's accusations have little evidence to support them, and that his suspicions reflect his own burning ambition to get the hallowed 10th title.

Make no mistake: A bloke putting his arse on the line every weekend at 38 to win another title is obsessed.

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I think you have hit it, Rossi and his entourage and that element among his fans have actually attributed even more ability to MM than he actually has, nobody can determine the race order behind him in a win with the other riders all trying. He nearly lost the bike twice earlier in that PI race, including a massive tank slapper when on his own, and when he rode flat out all race as he apparently could and should have done in 2015 crashed out of substantial leads in both the 2014 and 2016 races, to say nothing of crashing out of 6 races prior to PI in 2015, possibly why Rossi and Lorenzo had their chance that year in the first place. What he can do and has just done again to win another race is a ridiculous banzai single lap, which he now seems to have learned is best reserved for the last lap of a race.
Yes - MM is clearly very special, but if he was so unbeatable, he wouldn't be trailing VR and JL at that point in the season by so many points.

The problem VR now has is that MM has learnt how to manage a season from VR. He no longer is the 'win or bin' rider. Rather, he is managing races better than anyone out there (see his wins at the Sachsenring this year, last year, and his win at Brno in the wet).

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I think the report of him being brought to tears was from David Emmett.
Very sad. I thought MM made him pay at Valencia (which I don't begrudge him either).
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Doohan didn't have the flamboyance that Rossi did, he was a no nonsense winning machine, he was relentless, he was cold blooded, he was Jaws and the fucking Terminator rolled into one, he's the best rider I've had the privilege to watch but he was no showman with silly gimmicks to appeal to the masses.
Yep. CS openly admits that he modelled himself after Mick.

I suspect Mat Mladin did the same.
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September 12th, 2017, 03:18 PM   #73
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Yep. CS openly admits that he modelled himself after Mick.

I suspect Mat Mladin did the same.

Nope, that is Mladin's nature both at and away from the track (personal experience).

CS is pretty approachable away from the track when he is not on 'private family time' and MD it depends on where you approach but safe to say with Mick you need to read the circumstances. If he is busy, then stay a distance if he is smiling than generally you are safe but again, like most racers you do not interrupt them during work time (have met Mick and was pleasant but comments about CS are relayed from multiple sources who have come across him in a number of situations)
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Got to be something to do with the all mighty one.
Made me smile anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
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Got to be something to do with the all mighty one.
Made me smile anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
Geez, here we just call that news.com.au
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Rossi should stop hating on folk.
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September 15th, 2017, 01:31 AM   #77
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Nope, that is Mladin's nature both at and away from the track (personal experience).

CS is pretty approachable away from the track when he is not on 'private family time' and MD it depends on where you approach but safe to say with Mick you need to read the circumstances. If he is busy, then stay a distance if he is smiling than generally you are safe but again, like most racers you do not interrupt them during work time (have met Mick and was pleasant but comments about CS are relayed from multiple sources who have come across him in a number of situations)
I know he wasn't the most loved racer but I was a big fan of Mladin, there's a great series of interviews with him on Youtube where he comments on a fair few things.
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I know he wasn't the most loved racer but I was a big fan of Mladin, .
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Yep. We can't say that there was no MM help as a matter of certainty, but I think we can say with a high degree of confidence that Rossi's accusations have little evidence to support them, and that his suspicions reflect his own burning ambition to get the hallowed 10th title.

Make no mistake: A bloke putting his arse on the line every weekend at 38 to win another title is obsessed.


Yes - MM is clearly very special, but if he was so unbeatable, he wouldn't be trailing VR and JL at that point in the season by so many points.

The problem VR now has is that MM has learnt how to manage a season from VR. He no longer is the 'win or bin' rider. Rather, he is managing races better than anyone out there (see his wins at the Sachsenring this year, last year, and his win at Brno in the wet).


Very sad. I thought MM made him pay at Valencia (which I don't begrudge him either).
Except really he wasn't beaten by Lorenzo or Rossi, he was beaten by himself and I guess a lack of experience. He finished 90 points down on Lorenzo, despite 6 DNFs. If he had the experience at that point of knowing that settling for podium positions and not trying to win every race he would would won the title based on the positions he crashed out of while trying to catch the leader.

Strongly disagree Marquez made VR pay at Valencia, he couldn't get drive out of the corner to get past Lorenzo at the overtaking points at Valencia. What we saw really was similar to the way Marquez shadowed Petrucci on the weekend trying to force him to make a mistake so he can get past. The big difference is Lornezo mental ability when in that situation is second to none. If he want to protect Lorenzo he sits back about a second rather than pushing him to record pace the whole way.
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