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September 10th, 2017, 03:45 AM   #51
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how the fuck did Vale got so popular anyways? I remember being a teenager back when Vale started his first season in the premier class and he was already a mass phenomenon. Back then I watched the races cuz my brother did but wasn't as involved in the sport as I am today. Mick Doohan won 5 in a row and it wasn't anything like that
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how the fuck did Vale got so popular anyways? I remember being a teenager back when Vale started his first season in the premier class and he was already a mass phenomenon. Back then I watched the races cuz my brother did but wasn't as involved in the sport as I am today. Mick Doohan won 5 in a row and it wasn't anything like that

Blame the bell curve.

rossis fans are of average intelligence ..... at best. So that means the bottom half of a bell curve, depicting human intelligence, are all rossi boppers.

The upper half is the rest of society ..... a minor part of which are non-rossiboppers. The lower part of the upper half are folk who arent into motogp. They are still above boppers though.
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Fantastic to see the GOAT win at Misano today
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Can anyone explain to me the animosity many here seem to have towards Rossi?

example #999: 2017 Misano podium
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example #999: 2017 Misano podium
Even when rossi is not there he sucks.
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Anyone notice, whenever rossi is down on luck ar performing shite, the fucking spam grows here exponentially. Fucking wanker custard clowns.
Wow ..... spam is a shocker atm!
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how the fuck did Vale got so popular anyways? I remember being a teenager back when Vale started his first season in the premier class and he was already a mass phenomenon. Back then I watched the races cuz my brother did but wasn't as involved in the sport as I am today. Mick Doohan won 5 in a row and it wasn't anything like that
There is actually an answer to your question. The promoters learned that creating a narrative around a hero vs villains sells, it's a typical Hollywood creation adapted for sport consumption, it works. It's a marketing paradigm shift that once it was realized became increasingly sophisticated. This led to a skewed competition, because to have a hero, the hero needs to win by beating the villains. The promoters manufacturer that artificial record by a mechanism of advantages written into the rule book. For example, the advantages of specially designed tire done legally, this is the most famous and easily understood, but there have been many more examples. You see, something "legal" is misconstrued as "fair"! Nobody questions legal advantages. And so on... what we end up with is a peculiar reaction by the masses of fans who gravitate towards "winners". Look no further than the two big soccer clubs Barcelona & Real Madrid. People buy their jerseys without the slightest affiliation. They become blind to the facts that is responsible for the artificial "success", they seem unaware of the lopsided advantages. The fact that a 300 million dollar club beats a 45 million dollar club is not factored in to the equation of outcomes, astonishingly it's perceived as fair competition. It was the same with the Yankees for example, a club that basically bought many of its titles (until the parity model changed in American baseball). Incidentally, the parity model for Spain's league of Barcelona & Real Madrid is still skewed. Other top flight soccer leagues have mitigated the parity model; however, It's not a coincidence that DORNA subscribes to a similar competition model being a Spanish league itself.

Then there is a sport MEDIA (the main subject of this post) which is something I'd like to draw your attention to here. The media are the drivers of most of what fans think, accept, and discuss. For example, since Rossi was injured in a training incident, several articles have been written on the subject which purposefully paint Rossi's training regiment as an admirable commitment to improve particularly praiseworthy. It wasn't enough to write articles and disseminate tweets on social media, every rider was asked to comment over the weekend and since! There are video interviews where the leading questions beg the answer: yes, Rossi is right to train, and the risks he takes are an example of his dedication. However, this media blitz is disproportionate when other riders are injured during training. I'll give you two examples of this disproportionate handling of incidents then move on; when Nicky Hayden injured his heel and ankle riding supermoto, there were not multiple articles written in a positive light to approve of his participation in such activities, nor was most the paddock asked if training supermoto should be banned. In fact, the general arch of perception was it was a stupid unnecessary injury, frowned upon by his employer as I recall (surely Yamaha aren't voicing their displeasure with Rossi).

Here is my second example, recently Hack Oxley discussed the Silverstone GP alongside Freddy Spencer at some UK royal motorsport club (you can probably find it on youtube). Oxley referenced the barging by Marquez on Lorenzo at Jerez in 2013 (the one that was a carbon copy of Jerez 05 Rossi /Sete) Hack Oxley characterized Lorenzo maintaining his line around the penultimate corner as evidence of "Lorenzo's fragile ego!" That's a quote. Absurd right? The incident was brought up by Oxley for this purpose; let me explain his ludicrous logic, he said Dovi let Marc past at Silverstone because unlike Lorenzo, Dovi is not afflicted by capricious ego and was willing to let Marc by, in effect letting Marquez be the author of his own demise, allowing Dovi to recover the line and win. Oxley reasoned, Lorenzo's capricious nature compelled by Jorge's "fragile ego" held fast onto his race line in 2013, inviting Marc to use him as a berm and effectively losing the position--follow me here; Oxley basically is "reasoning", it was Lorenzo's fault because his ego is so fragile not to have let Marc by to then overtake the position like Dovi! Can you imagine a sport rider of consequence and the affect of his opinions saying something so outrageous? Keep in mind, this logic is intended to exonerate Rossi's barging of Sete in 2005! It's a litigation by fallacy, if Lorenzo's "fragile ego" caused his demise--so then Sete was at fault for Rossi's infamous move to "win" that race: lore preserved! How do you suppose it affects readers, particularly Rossi fans? Oxley repeatedly says shit like this to cue who are the 'villains' Lorenzo is decidedly one-hence being cheered when he crashed today. Oh Oxley will tell you it's because Lorenzo showed a thumbs down to Rossi at Sepang 05 (whitewashing the fact Jorge did that because Rossi had just tried to run a competitor off track and didn't deserve to stand on the podium). Oxley provides the minions their cues, cues that come decidedly from Rossi's McCarthiest opinions.

The point I'm making Michael is that the media are responsible for building up Rossi to astronomical disproportionate heights. They refused then and still now to call Rossi on the carpet for the villainization of rivals. There is a thread here titled: Rossi still won't let it go. With the media, it's quite the contrary, then have done their best not to ruffle Rossiís sentiments about the great Marquez conspiracy--hence why he was booed today. I predict you'll read in the coming days some media figures declare: the boo birds at Misano displayed disgusting behavior, bla bla. They will because the display was so noticeable it requires the journalists to cover their asses. The authors will grandstand; but I'll tell you what they won't do, they will NOT place the blame on Rossi for starting this shit, and they certainly won't raise their hands taking responsibility for not aggressively writing against it in the past (though I'm sure they'll point you to some flaccid line buried in some article that they disagreed with Rossi claiming Marc conspired. Notwithstanding, you may remember, Marc Marquez pointed out that Rossi WEAPONIZES the MEDIA--this cannot happen unless that media is a partner!

You asked how Rossi became so popular? Take a look below. Marc Marquez put in an astonishing performance today. You would think that's the lead of any story discussing today's amazing race, particularly the last lap. Well, you'd be wrong. The lead of the summary by David Emmett (Kropo) for today's performance was the absence of Valentino Rossi! In fact, the first 8 paragraph are basically all in direct or indirect reference to Rossi! Oh, it gets worse. Not only were the first paragraphs dedicated to Rossi's absence (it's in the title FFS) and the survival of MotoGP post Rossi; but the initial explanation for Marc's performance was, as Kropotkin reasoned: the affect of Rossi's boo birds turned motivation--that is, it ALL revolves around Rossi. Without Rossi and his fans perhaps Marc wouldn't have tried so hard--Kropo logic.

Get this, Krops says that Marc threw caution to the wind in order to exact revenge on Rossi's minions--the reason for Marc's determination! No, no, it wasn't the primary obvious objective to fight for a win in the same exact way Marc did at Silverstone, where he didnít have this particular score to settle! No, no, it wasn't the standard operating procedure we see when a shark like Marquez smells the blood of a possible win in sight. The same compelling tenacity that we've seen countless times at places like Argentina, Assen, Mugello (against Lorenzo) Philip Island ("to help Lorenzo"). No, Marquez put in that last lap performance because...wait for it: Rossiís fucking fans!

That's why Rossi is so popular Michael, because every possible narrative revolves around Rossi. Not the least being bullshit acts of "democracy" to reinstate a previously almost unanimously rejected tire. Here too Hack Oxley (and Krops) jumped into service, redirecting the perceptions of reinstating #70 tire did not pass the stench test, they declared in chorus-- 'no, it's not a tire conspiracy.' Classic, "the lady doth protest too much."

So to answer your question, there are several reasons why Rossi became 'disproportionately' so popular, one reason is skewed and gutless media covering the sport.



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Only 8 paragraphs? He missed one then. Doesn't krops know hes 9 times. Or is that the ninth gate which raises the devil?

Good points btw haven't thought of it like that but makes sence.
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how the fuck did Vale got so popular anyways? I remember being a teenager back when Vale started his first season in the premier class and he was already a mass phenomenon. Back then I watched the races cuz my brother did but wasn't as involved in the sport as I am today. Mick Doohan won 5 in a row and it wasn't anything like that
Long story and no doubt there will be many many variations but will throw my theory out there as well (please remember that I am no fan of VR so when you are reading this, feel free to assume a level of bias)


VR was somewhat fortunate in that he came into the sport in 125cc racing at a time when the internet was becoming more widely available, together with the associated invention of various forms of social media, all of which combined to make the sport (any sport really) more accessible.

Now, VR was coached well in terms of media plus of course as a young person at the time he knew what he wanted to see, read and hear on the various forms of social interaction sites. All he needed to do was have the ability to keep himself in the public eye and in this aspect I do genuinely believe he 'developed the extroverted and ever smiling guy who enjoys every aspect of bike racing' as a means of making him likable to the masses so that people 'fell in love with the young kid'. Secondly he had an innate burning competitiveness, a brutal win at all costs racers mentality (not a criticism at all) that often separates the good from the very good, from the brilliant and he used the mentality with his skills to keep his name at the forefront on results alone (leave aside any perceptions of equipment levels).

So he became a hugely successful racer in terms of results who also happened to be an ever smiling, jokester type of personality and of course people find it difficult to dislike that character trait so he was somewhat set in terms of being easily publicised as he was good publicity for himself, his team, his sponsors and the sport.

Of course, this developed power (he would not have gotten this without the results which were crucial) and so the sport and the media (later to become media minions) just gravitated somewhat naturally to this ever-popular, always smiling highly talented racer who was extremely open to the media and always happy to give time as afterall, to be aligned with VR made them and their articles popular which increased their revenue.

Essentially, Valentino was what the sport at the time needed (so the sports organisers believed)as it tried to attract a new audience who were younger, more in tune with social media and the internet and as such his 'personality' attracted more sponsors with their dollars, and of course he cultivated it as he is a business man and can see how developing a following will open doors and allow him to further his financial rewards from the sport that he adores.

As time went on, VR essentially became synonomous with the sport and as such, most of the marketing of the sport involved images of or including Valentino which only worked to perpetuate that he was and remains to this day, the sport.

The cycle continued as DORNA continued to publicise their golden goose somewhat, to the total detriment of the sport and it's competitors not named Rossi, and all the time the power continued to grow until we have what we have today, a total focus by the sport and associated media on one single, solitary ma. Of course, if the sport is so focussed on an individual it in many ways forces the followers of the sport to also become very 'aware' of that rider and of course, to a casual observer he becomes someone that they recognise as the sport and by extension, as an integral part.

Now, I could go one a bit but essentially, many many of the VR fans of today are his fans firstly and whilst many will deny it (they may not genuinely recognise it) their focus on the sport is all about Valentino as they had likely started following the sport during the time it has been infatuated with all things Valentino. I say this as amongst the 'non-believers' or 'haters' as some prefer to call them, you will find that the majority of supporters not infatuated with Rossi are from an old school base where they watched the sport well before Valentino entered and thus in many ways they see the ruination of the sport to suit an individual or agenda, thus they question and they are labelled.
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Gee you guys! So many words to say what I can in 2 words .....


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