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September 7th, 2017, 05:41 PM   #41
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Yep - agree with all of that. I used to rail on and on about the fact that Stoner's wins in 2007 weren't down to TC in this forum. Rossi was seen as some infallible god who only lost because he was incurably disadvantaged.

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Yep - agree with all of that. I used to rail on and on about the fact that Stoner's wins in 2007 weren't down to TC in this forum. Rossi was seen as some infallible god who only lost because he was incurably disadvantaged.

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Again no problem.


I didn't finish my intended discusssion in regard to your points about the PI 2015 thing. I am sure emotions were both strong and influential in more than one party, and I also find credible David Emmett's opinion about Alzamora's lack of character.

I tend to believe MM did have gripes about the 2 incidents with Rossi earlier in the season, not very justifiably imo about at least 1 of them. He didn't respond by calling Rossi a proven cheat to the world press however. My view, supported by his emotional reaction to being called a cheat by Rossi imo, including reports that extraordinarily tough young man was brought to tears by the accusation, is that he made a deliberate effort not to interfere with the title contenders in the PI race, in terms of riding manoeuvres that might put them at risk anyway. The facts are also that he took the win when it was available, and that the tactics he adopted in 2015 are the only ones which have ever resulted in him finishing let alone winning at PI in the premier class, so it is hard to see how he merits criticism for those tactics. I don't think either he or Lorenzo wanted to be involved in a last lap stoush with an Andre Iannone desperate for his first podium either, as Lorenzo actually said, so if it was possible to arrange which I doubt leaving Iannone tangled up with Rossi was a good tactic in itself.

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September 8th, 2017, 07:52 PM   #43
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Evidence?
Your barking up the wrong tree if you are thinking Pov is the type to be scouring the net finding 'evidence' for you. I thought you being on the forum longer than me you would realise he is a more take it or leave it style poster.

For what it's worth I seem to recall Burgess saying what Pov says in an interview possibly in the movie faster. It's pretty typical of his arrogant type of comment to claim other riders and crew chiefs don't know jack compared to him and Rossi. Mr Fixed in 80 seconds remember.

Passport and popularity had a great impact on which tyres Michelin would provide a rider so naturally they had as much influence on the direction of development such as in SNS. Evidence? Ask Casey Stoner. He was occasionally the quickest guy on the grid even on second tier tires. To which Michelin would respond by demoting him 3rd tier tires. Says so in his book. Says it was because he was too outspoken. Go figure.

The other famous example was the one and only Mr Squiggle. He was the only rider who immediately favoured the 16.5 inch tire while all the rest preferred the 17. As long as the compound was very soft, McCoy was very fast. But I seem to remember that man Burgess again shaking his head gravely pronouncing all that dirty sideways tire smoking action was not the correct way to ride a motorcycle. In no time at all the supersoft disappeared only to be replaced by the Rossi hard and poor old Gary was left to sing what about me?
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Anyone notice, whenever rossi is down on luck ar performing shite, the fucking spam grows here exponentially. Fucking wanker custard clowns.
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Anyone notice, whenever rossi is down on luck ar performing shite, the fucking spam grows here exponentially. Fucking wanker custard clowns.
That is a bloody good observation Barbed so I decided to consult my clipboard, look at the google analytic stats for the sectors of time you have mentioned and, why yes, I have been able to determine that during the times you have mentioned there is indeed enough evidence to suggest that the yellow horde are indeed working (perhaps even conspiring) together to cause change the standings of this forum for their own benefit..

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Anyone notice, whenever rossi is down on luck ar performing shite, the fucking spam grows here exponentially. Fucking wanker custard clowns.
I often wonder that.
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Anyone notice, whenever rossi is down on luck ar performing shite, the fucking spam grows here exponentially. Fucking wanker custard clowns.
Well one thing is certain, the media have been in a concerted message to ask everyone associated with racing whether Rossi training is heroic despite the risks, apparently everyone agrees, it's heroic. It's amazing how every rider has been asked their opinion on training. It's such a ridiculous question, one that is never asked when others have been injured whilst training.

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Well one thing is certain, the media have been in a concerted message to ask everyone associated with racing whether Rossi training is heroic despite the risks, apparently everyone agrees, it's heroic. It's amazing how every rider has been asked their opinion on training. It's such a ridiculous question, one that is never asked when others have been injured whilst training.

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How about the end of qual. Vinales snatches pole on his last lap only for Dick Harris to proclaim 'claims pole on the Yamaha no Valentino Rossi!'??? WTF????
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Talpa? Just kidding he was alright. For a wanker.
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How about the end of qual. Vinales snatches pole on his last lap only for Dick Harris to proclaim 'claims pole on the Yamaha no Valentino Rossi!'??? WTF????
I shit you not, I rewound because I thought wait, why was Rossi's name just insert here. Actually his name was inserted by both commentators in a span of seconds, just before the other guy said 'Valentino fans' that made it out will be happy that at least an Italian bike/rider on pole. Then Viņalez snatched pole on ode to Rossi.

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