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September 5th, 2017, 04:50 AM   #21
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He'll be back, wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't on the 2018 chassis so he can work on development of the team's bike whilst Maverick is busy with trying to win the title.
If he does that then they must make him dress like a banana, hopefully the skin will sort him out and + its his favourite colour.
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great post. Takes energy to go over and over again on this site. Energy i dont care to expend.

could you elaborate on the two statements above. I don't know of the pizza shop incident, and reckon i do about the 10sec but need reminding.
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The title says it all. Why does everyone hate Rossi?
Once again the "Rossi Haters" label is being applied to forum users.
I think it's kind of obvious that there are a lot of people that hate Rossi on here, no?


So far the responses have been pretty awesome, I'm learning a lot about MotoGP that I can't sitting on my couch at 0400 watching races by myself
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I think it's kind of obvious that there are a lot of people that hate Rossi on here, no?


So far the responses have been pretty awesome, I'm learning a lot about MotoGP that I can't sitting on my couch at 0400 watching races by myself
Maybe the word hate is to much, should it be dislike?
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Was sat in luffield for the race at silverstone. and the biggest cheer of the day was when mm93s bike failed.
Got my own back though when dovi passed rossi to take the lead (fuck did i make a meal of it) ME and about 3 others,
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*This is a serious post, not intended to just start shit. I genuinely want to learn*

I'll preface my question with this statement: I like Rossi. I was also a big fan of Stoner when he was around I also like MM, Dovi, Lorenzo, and Petrux, etc


Can anyone explain to me the animosity many here seem to have towards Rossi?

From a relatively casual watcher of MotoGP for the past 7 years (I watch every race, except Moto3), I don't seem to see the blatant favoritism of Rossi that everyone else sees. I know the announcers talk about him constantly, which seems obvious given the fact that his following is enormous compared to your average rider. I read competing articles about the Michelin debacle, new vs old frame, I remember Lorenzo vs Rossi, etc...


Maybe I'm just a Rossi sympathizer without realizing it completely, but I feel most of the Rossi vs EVERYTHING issues can quite simply be explained when you consider MotoGP is a business first, and a sport second. Rossi = money, so of course when push comes to shove, Yamaha, Dorna, etc are going to at least consider ways to keep the guy happy-ish.

The survival or success of MotoGP doesn't depend on Rossi, obviously, but he sure makes them a lot of money and helps bring in new fans which is always good for the sport and business side of things.
This board is unusual.

Basically, there are a few members that post incessantly. Those posters hate Rossi. This leads to the impression that Rossi is hated.

The Dorna conspiracy theory doesn't really stand up to scrutiny, but posters on this board can no longer be bothered posting 50,000 word responses to Jumkie, who is the main proponent of the theory. He selectively ignores information, which makes reasoned debate futile.

No-one with a brain believes that Honda and Ducati (and other manufacturers, to a lesser extent) spend vast amounts of money to compete in a championship that is rigged to produce Rossi victories. MotoGP can survive without Rossi, but it can't survive without Honda or Ducati.
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After the 2007 season, Dorna showed the world that having Rossi win titles was all that mattered after strong arming Bridgestone into supplying Rossi tires against their will
Do you have any evidence of this? I know Bridgestone initially refused, but do you have evidence that Dorna forced them?

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Again, during the 2012 season, they acted as Rossi's agent to strong arm Yamaha into taking him back against race department wishes. Lin Jarvis wanted to move on with Lorenzo and a younger rider but Dorna got Yamaha marketing to overrule him.
Do you have evidence of this? Who was this younger rider?

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Not to mention the early dominant years when he had a distinct tire advantage with the Saturday Night Specials.
All the top riders got the SNS - Biaggi, Sete, Hayden, etc
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Rossi is never going away. He will be back sooner than you think. They will probably come up with moto40 in a few years so he can relive bashing on Sete and other old men. Moto40, 40 and over washed up pro class. You heard it hear first folks.
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great post. Takes energy to go over and over again on this site. Energy i dont care to expend.

could you elaborate on the two statements above. I don't know of the pizza shop incident, and reckon i do about the 10sec but need reminding.
Long story short on the Pizza shop.

A young Rider who may one day go on to be a champion is at a Pizza shop. When the bill comes the said rider causes somewhat of a 'kerfuffle' of the 'dont you know who I am kind' and leaves the said premises forgetting that the pizza shop owner may need compensation for the services provided. Kerfuffle continues however some minutes later, member of said riders entourage returns and provides said compensation to placate the situation. Source - multiple people also in shop at time.

The other one, well safe to say that someone did not like getting a 10 second penalty and both he and members of his entourage made their feelings very clear to certain people who had officials hats on after the race (again the 'dont you know who I am' was used. Some of these people were in paid positions but similar sentiments were expressed to the volunteer element as well with some receiving 'levels of abuse' as they wandered near the garage after the race (2 of the officials having #46 merchandise). Source - some of those same officials.

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I think it's kind of obvious that there are a lot of people that hate Rossi on here, no?


So far the responses have been pretty awesome, I'm learning a lot about MotoGP that I can't sitting on my couch at 0400 watching races by myself
No.

Why do you describe that people who do not support the rider must therefore hate him?

Most people do not hate Rossi the person as they do not know him, but many dislike the cult of personality that follows him and that infests the sport to what many feel is the detriment of the sport.

It should also be said (understood perhaps), that just because one does not support a specific rider/team, that does not mean that one is hating on that team nor revelling in their failure. Just as a person does not have to support Lorenzo, Pedrosa or Marquez for example, likewise one does not have to support Rossi despite the media & DORNA teams raising him to somewhat of a religious deity that should be worshipped

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Do you have any evidence of this? I know Bridgestone initially refused, but do you have evidence that Dorna forced them?


Do you have evidence of this? Who was this younger rider?


All the top riders got the SNS - Biaggi, Sete, Hayden, etc
So only the drawing of pro-Rossi inferences, or the drawing of inferences by him, are valid?

Those in the pro-Rossi camp seem to have very different standards of proof depending on circumstances and influenced by their own allegiance themselves.

I am on record on the SNS tire era as agreeing with J4rn0's view that Rossi only got the advantages other top riders before him such as Doohan accrued as a result of his and their pre-eminent status. I don't think it requires much in the way of conspiracy theorising to suggest he had a major influence on the characteristics of the SNS tire that was actually produced each time though, which were not 6 different tires as I understand it, as Colin Edwards who might be in a position to know has actually said, although I do recall talk that he was unhappy towards the end of the era that Honda were having too much influence on Michelin and the SNS tires were starting to favor HRC, although not in that race Toni Elias won in 2006 it would seem.

As I said in the post you just 'liked', one would think Max Biaggi, not unkown for complaining, might have had more to say if the SNS tires were 'fixed', but the tires may largely have suited him as well as JPS said immediately after that post, and even Max might have had enough discretion not to want to offend Michelin who have a record of intolerance of complaint by riders whom they supply cf Wayne Rainey as Birdman can detail. In any case he won the first 5 titles, and the 2 subsequent titles because he was the best rider those years; it was complaint from his fans in regard to rival riders having 'advantages' with which I took issue.

I believe it is basically impossible to produce a tire that will make a 38 year old rider win a world championship against current opposition, or to produce a tire which benefits him and no-one else, which is why I don't go for full-on conspiracy theories in that regard. I have very little doubt that Dorna have manipulated the tires over the years to the disadvantage of less popular/unpopular rivals of Rossi however. Btw, you acknowledge but then seemingly dismiss (? why exactly) that Bridgestone wished to continue with the status quo in 2008/2009, and I would be interested to see your evidence that Honda, Yamaha and Ducati, or Michelin and Bridgestone themselves, who would seem to have been the major interested parties, wanted a control tyre rule.

Bottom line is that Dorna's focus is still much more on a 38 year old rider who hasn't won a title since 2009 than anyone else, however, and I believe anyone totally naive to GP bike racing who watched the Dorna coverage led by one Nick Harris wouldn't have much trouble drawing that inference. That rider raised with impunity (pretty much with Carmelo's tacit support imo) a wild conspiracy theory, it would appear to their irretrievable detriment, against two riders who are in all likelihood top 10 riders all time themselves, including the ludicrous proposition that one of those riders tanked a race he actually won. I haven't seen much in the way of complaint in regard to him having no evidence from Rossi partisans, and in fact those riders continue to be derided/booed etc by said partisans. As I have said, and Povol similarly, it is the events of 2015 which have led me to a personal dislike of Rossi, rather than just of an element among his fans as was previously the case.
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