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July 30th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #11
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With nobody other than the official riders ridding any of the MotoGP bikes it hard to tell their characteristics but from comments made in interviews the Ducati and Honda sound the most physical bikes to ride, they reward the point and shoot aggressive riding styles. The Yamaha (and Suzuki which is said to be the most similar with its inline 4) are said to be smooth, precise and offer nigh corner speed and grip.

No doubt tyres play a huge part in racing, but going off the riders comments about their bikes it seems Iannone and Lotnrzo are both riding bikes that are diametrically opposed in characteristics from what they are used to. It was foolish of Suzuki to loose both of their riders and upset the bikes development path only 2 seasons in to their MotoGP comeback.
And that's why I contend that Lorenzo took the money and ran from an unbearable work environment, titles be damned. Lorenzo would have had to known the Ducati was diametrically opposed to his riding style,any involved fan knew. He chose to ride a bike that is the polar opposite to the Yamaha for roughly 4 million more a year to escape. Every time the thought pops in his head that he could be running away to his 4th titles if he were still on the Yamaha, he needs to remind himself that 8 million is a lot of fucking money.
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Kevin Schwantz is out of line and Hack Oxley is a fucking hack never worth reading.

If Schwantz should whine about anything it should be to point out Suzuki have ALWAYS participated in GP half-assed. Neither Schwantz nor Hack go into any detail about how detrimental the Michelin has become (despite Hack pointing out how the Suzuki ran well in preseason and the first couple of races, any more obvious and the answer would burn a hole in this already useless "articles". Hack hasnt stopped to consider it mirrors Viņalez and the obvious ramifications. ) I remember both of these guys saying very critical shit about Stoner while at Ducati (which proved them spectacularly wrong); unsurprisingly, were critical of Ducati when their buddy Rossi cruised around.

The Manipulatichelin has screwed up the Suzuki. When the Bridgestone was Rossied, Suzuki couldn't cope with the change and ended up taking a hiatus from the sport in 2011. They've received special concessions too, a "factory" entry enjoying satellite and open class Mulligans. Look what the tire changes has done to Honda, forcing one of the greatest talents of our generation to ride around with his ball sac in his throat, tentatively because the front tire might go Isis. But unlike Honda, Suzuki don't participate with the commitment to throw an army of engineering and resources to mitigate the metamorossiphosis that is the Michelin.

Has Krops written a scathing piece on Iannone yet or is he just satisfied to retread Hack's worthless takes? I hope not, he might have to ban himself from his own site. Teleporters of this ilk tend to gang up on convenient riders, though I'm still waiting for these guys to take Rossi to task for his entourage that developed the most damaging conspiracy ever to the sport. I like how Schwantz glibly admitted not understanding what was spoken by Iannone to his techs but making conclusions about it. Ironically, Schwantz would get banned from Krops site if he disparaged a rider on his mere impression.

That Suzuki is shit. It's on par with KTM and Aprilia, nobody is taking their riders to task. Iannone ran excellent race pace at Qatar and Argentina. (Argentina, the scene of the attempted tire coup thwarted by the safety commission, then what happened?) I like how Hack wrote a piece supporting his unfettered admiration for Cuntslow's gratuitous crashing but here seems to make the point Iannone hasn't crashed enough to make some conclusion about Iannone's commitment. Maybe Iannone has looked over at Rind and thought, wait, I'm no good if I'm injured. Astonishingly the "logic" here is, hey look, my teammate got injury now I'm gonna phone it in. Not, hey look, my teammate got injured by this piece of shit Suzuki and their half hearted reaction to the Manipulatichelin.

Suzuki had the hottest commodity in Viņalez signed up. They even had an option to keep him another year. What did Suzuki do? This exemplifies the modus operandi of Suzuki's participation in MotoGP. Mr. Suzuki's brand ambassador should point out the message the manufacturer transmitted by letting Viņalez go so readily. Suzuki had all the leverage to keep Viņalez, so ask yourself, why would they let him go? It speaks about Suzuki racing. Suzuki are not serious about contending in GP. When was the last time this large Japanese manufacturer ran a satellite team? They field 2 bikes where tiny Ducati field 3x as many. Has Hack or Schwantz pointed out Suzuki has won practically dick in 40 years? Why did Suzuki let Ben Spies go? Ben ran respectable on wildcards then Mother Mary saw how Suzuki were dicking around her son and they left to win a world championship as a rookie on a Yamaha. Why should Suzuki get a pass? They've been shit for ever. They practically murdered John Hopkins. Suzuki have had plenty of top tier talent, rider's talent and careers destroyed by a manufacturer participating in mediocrity. Most notably Randy Mamola, but they've had riders like Russell and Chandler, Machenzie and Beattie, Barros, etc. Riders for Suzuki are the frogs willing to give the scorpion a ride across the lake, Suzuki's lack of commitment stings them to death. Then we read hacks talking shit about the frog. Suzuki's pattern of racing mediocrity is consistently shit.
While I agree with just about everything you say here regarding Manipchelin, Suzuki and Dorna,there seems to be an issue with Ianonne's and his " entourages " image. He can call it what he wants, but he was fired at Ducati as there were rumblings about professionalism and of course the absolute bonehead mistakes. I'm guessing his gangsta hard dick all the time personna is not setting well with them old fuddy duddies who pay the bills. For old farts, he is a pr nightmare. Then there is the question of him dogging it and phoning in the season. I believe the bike is much better than it's standings and would be 4th maybe 5th if Vinales was still on it.
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And that's why I contend that Lorenzo took the money and ran from an unbearable work environment, titles be damned. Lorenzo would have had to known the Ducati was diametrically opposed to his riding style,any involved fan knew. He chose to ride a bike that is the polar opposite to the Yamaha for roughly 4 million more a year to escape. Every time the thought pops in his head that he could be running away to his 4th titles if he were still on the Yamaha, he needs to remind himself that 8 million is a lot of fucking money.
The most curious thing is why Ducati wanted him so much. Wouldn't they know better? We all know who they insulted trying so hard to get him.

I doubt it's to escape Rossi. If Rossi had of managed the 15 ship then yeah maybe he runs away with his tail between his legs. On the other hand did Yamaha management require him to actually apologise Rossi after Sepang rather than the other way round? If yes, most certainly that's a fuck you later moment.

I tend to think it's neither of the above. Imo Lorenzo knows he will never be a favourite son of Yamaha. He will have no legacy there. But if Gigi could convince him that together they could revisit those good old 250 days, that he could get wins on the Ducati and maybe, just maybe, win a championship? Hell yes, that's a legacy. I don't think it's all over yet. He appears far more determined to do whatever it takes to tame the beast. Next year is the big one though. No wins and it's all over folks.
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And that's why I contend that Lorenzo took the money and ran from an unbearable work environment, titles be damned. Lorenzo would have had to known the Ducati was diametrically opposed to his riding style,any involved fan knew. He chose to ride a bike that is the polar opposite to the Yamaha for roughly 4 million more a year to escape. Every time the thought pops in his head that he could be running away to his 4th titles if he were still on the Yamaha, he needs to remind himself that 8 million is a lot of fucking money.
From the point of view of those who aren't already millionaires, this makes sense. But from Lorenzo's perspective, it's fucking dumb. He already has more money than he can realistically spend. There are studies that show beyond a certain point more money, just doesn't increase happiness or well-being. I have found that to be true.
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I don't believe that Lorenzo decision was solely due to money. I think he wanted out of the toxic environment at Yamaha. Even though he's not winning he looks to be happier. I'm sure world titles are great but if despite winning them he wasn't happy in his work place and he felt that any advantage he may be able to get would be taken away from him then why not leave make some extra money, but more importantly be happy.
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I don't believe that Lorenzo decision was solely due to money. I think he wanted out of the toxic environment at Yamaha. Even though he's not winning he looks to be happier. I'm sure world titles are great but if despite winning them he wasn't happy in his work place and he felt that any advantage he may be able to get would be taken away from him then why not leave make some extra money, but more importantly be happy.
Nobody thinks that. It's just that he's tossed away his chances of accomplishing the very thing he's dedicated his life to. Winning races (and ultimately, championships).

Sure some riders keep signing on to contracts late in career, for a myriad of reasons, need the dough, bored at home/adrenalin junkie, addicted to the circus and easy access to umbrella girls etc; But Lorenzo still in his prime and a racer with that kind of pedigree, should (theoretically) want to win more than anything. While I'm not a giant Rossi fan, I have to say I admire him for the passion he has at his age, really something. If and when he is out there in the future just cruising around in 8th place simply because he's not developed enough to figure out how to live away from the race track, I will really lose interest in him.
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. While I'm not a giant Rossi fan, I have to say I admire him for the passion he has at his age, really something. If and when he is out there in the future just cruising around in 8th place simply because he's not developed enough to figure out how to live away from the race track, I will really lose interest in him.
Cruising around in eighth place for a couple of years is never a good look.
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Kevin Schwantz is out of line and Hack Oxley is a fucking hack never worth reading.

If Schwantz should whine about anything it should be to point out Suzuki have ALWAYS participated in GP half-assed. Neither Schwantz nor Hack go into any detail about how detrimental the Michelin has become (despite Hack pointing out how the Suzuki ran well in preseason and the first couple of races, any more obvious and the answer would burn a hole in this already useless "articles". Hack hasnt stopped to consider it mirrors Viņalez and the obvious ramifications. ) I remember both of these guys saying very critical shit about Stoner while at Ducati (which proved them spectacularly wrong); unsurprisingly, were critical of Ducati when their buddy Rossi cruised around.

The Manipulatichelin has screwed up the Suzuki. When the Bridgestone was Rossied, Suzuki couldn't cope with the change and ended up taking a hiatus from the sport in 2011. They've received special concessions too, a "factory" entry enjoying satellite and open class Mulligans. Look what the tire changes has done to Honda, forcing one of the greatest talents of our generation to ride around with his ball sac in his throat, tentatively because the front tire might go Isis. But unlike Honda, Suzuki don't participate with the commitment to throw an army of engineering and resources to mitigate the metamorossiphosis that is the Michelin.

Has Krops written a scathing piece on Iannone yet or is he just satisfied to retread Hack's worthless takes? I hope not, he might have to ban himself from his own site. Teleporters of this ilk tend to gang up on convenient riders, though I'm still waiting for these guys to take Rossi to task for his entourage that developed the most damaging conspiracy ever to the sport. I like how Schwantz glibly admitted not understanding what was spoken by Iannone to his techs but making conclusions about it. Ironically, Schwantz would get banned from Krops site if he disparaged a rider on his mere impression.

That Suzuki is shit. It's on par with KTM and Aprilia, nobody is taking their riders to task. Iannone ran excellent race pace at Qatar and Argentina. (Argentina, the scene of the attempted tire coup thwarted by the safety commission, then what happened?) I like how Hack wrote a piece supporting his unfettered admiration for Cuntslow's gratuitous crashing but here seems to make the point Iannone hasn't crashed enough to make some conclusion about Iannone's commitment. Maybe Iannone has looked over at Rind and thought, wait, I'm no good if I'm injured. Astonishingly the "logic" here is, hey look, my teammate got injury now I'm gonna phone it in. Not, hey look, my teammate got injured by this piece of shit Suzuki and their half hearted reaction to the Manipulatichelin.

Suzuki had the hottest commodity in Viņalez signed up. They even had an option to keep him another year. What did Suzuki do? This exemplifies the modus operandi of Suzuki's participation in MotoGP. Mr. Suzuki's brand ambassador should point out the message the manufacturer transmitted by letting Viņalez go so readily. Suzuki had all the leverage to keep Viņalez, so ask yourself, why would they let him go? It speaks about Suzuki racing. Suzuki are not serious about contending in GP. When was the last time this large Japanese manufacturer ran a satellite team? They field 2 bikes where tiny Ducati field 3x as many. Has Hack or Schwantz pointed out Suzuki has won practically dick in 40 years? Why did Suzuki let Ben Spies go? Ben ran respectable on wildcards then Mother Mary saw how Suzuki were dicking around her son and they left to win a world championship as a rookie on a Yamaha. Why should Suzuki get a pass? They've been shit for ever. They practically murdered John Hopkins. Suzuki have had plenty of top tier talent, rider's talent and careers destroyed by a manufacturer participating in mediocrity. Most notably Randy Mamola, but they've had riders like Russell and Chandler, Machenzie and Beattie, Barros, etc. Riders for Suzuki are the frogs willing to give the scorpion a ride across the lake, Suzuki's lack of commitment stings them to death. Then we read hacks talking shit about the frog. Suzuki's pattern of racing mediocrity is consistently shit.
Good call buddy. Mentioning Mackenzie is a good call. In 1990, he stepped in for Magee after his accident, put in a decent season, finishing fourth. Suzuki had told him to ride to protect his championship position, then dumped him at the end of the season saying his results had tailed off. Michael Scott was quoted at the time as saying he had been replaced by De Radigues wallet. Mackenzie then returned in late 1991 on the Sonauto Yamaha and regularly beat De Radigues. The Suzuki team was only ever about Schwantz. I wasn't a big fan of him then, and still not a fan. Great rider, yes, spectacular, yes, but, not Rainey or Doohan's class.
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