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June 26th, 2017, 09:11 AM   #91
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So, given Rossi has won at nearly every circuit at one time or another, can we assume there are some alternative circuits where Rossi would be incapable of being competitive? Some circuits he's never been on? Which "proper" circuits pray tell, would they be?
Daytona, Isle of Man, Ulster, Macau.
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So, given Rossi has won at nearly every circuit at one time or another, can we assume there are some alternative circuits where Rossi would be incapable of being competitive?
Chang International Circuit Thailand
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Daytona, Isle of Man, Ulster, Macau.
Daytona? A proper track? You must be kidding. I've raced there. It's a shit track. Winning at Daytona is essentially about how much hp you can buy, engine reliability and not falling asleep on the bike.

Isle Of Man and Ulster are not tracks. They're road courses.

That leaves Macau, which is not a track either. It's not a fit place for sane people to race. Like IOM and Ulster - these are places one races either because one is A. Stupid, B. Desperate to be in front of a camera waiting to record one's "heroic death". or C. Possessed of a death wish.

You won't see any racer from the paddock from the last 15 years who would race at any of these places.

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So, given Rossi has won at nearly every circuit at one time or another, can we assume there are some alternative circuits where Rossi would be incapable of being competitive? Some circuits he's never been on? Which "proper" circuits pray tell, would they be?
Aragon?
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Aragon?
To the best of my knowledge, neither Hailwood or Ago have raced there.
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Daytona? A proper track? You must be kidding. I've raced there. It's a shit track. Winning at Daytona is essentially about how much hp you can buy, engine reliability and not falling asleep on the bike.

Isle Of Man and Ulster are not tracks. They're road courses.

That leaves Macau, which is not a track either. It's not a fit place for sane people to race. Like IOM and Ulster - these are places one races either because one is A. Stupid, B. Desperate to be in front of a camera waiting to record one's "heroic death". or C. Possessed of a death wish.

You won't see any racer from the paddock from the last 15 years who would race at any of these places.
Fogarty raced at these places, he's not in a straight jacket is he?
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Fogarty raced at these places, he's not in a straight jacket is he?
Schwantz raced Macau too.

Saying that, Keshav is correct about the last 15 years - but this owes much more to the stakes being much higher in GP today and I guess contractual reasons. The Japanese factories still obligate their riders to compete in the eight hour though where Suzuka has been deemed too dangerous for the calendar.

I do agree with your sentiment though Ant. Remember Kesh, some of the circuits we visit today were originally road circuits - think last weekend. And this coming weekend - the Sachsenring as it once was.

Also the IOM was originally on the GP calendar remember and there are many riders in addition to Rossi that I couldn't picture contesting at some of the old circuits. Imagine Lorenzo at Imatra???
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Fogarty raced at these places, he's not in a straight jacket is he?
Now you're just being pedantic. Fogarty while much liked as a rider, was not in the same class as any of the top riders of today's paddock. Certainly you don't want to try and put him in the same category as Hailwood. Foggy, is a charismatic side-note in the history of MotoGp who never seriously challenged Rossi or any of his contemporaries, known for lurid rear wheel slides and zero championships in the premiere class. And I said, racers from the last 15 years. Fogarty retired in 2000. Maybe one of the greatest Superbike racers, but hardly someone to be thought in the same category as Hailwood or Ago.

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Schwantz raced Macau too.

Saying that, Keshav is correct about the last 15 years - but this owes much more to the stakes being much higher in GP today and I guess contractual reasons. The Japanese factories still obligate their riders to compete in the eight hour though where Suzuka has been deemed too dangerous for the calendar.

I do agree with your sentiment though Ant. Remember Kesh, some of the circuits we visit today were originally road circuits - think last weekend. And this coming weekend - the Sachsenring as it once was.

Also the IOM was originally on the GP calendar remember and there are many riders in addition to Rossi that I couldn't picture contesting at some of the old circuits. Imagine Lorenzo at Imatra???
Not sure I'd known about Schwantz at Macau. That was of course a different time. Funny thing, talk about insane... I read an interview with him when he was just breaking into AMA Superbike and he talked at length about the logistics and percentages for survival in a head-on with a deer and described in great detail how to prepare one's self (in the 2.5 seconds before impact) to hit the deer. He finished by saying "You'll break both shoulders - but you will live to ride again".

It was a different esthetic altogether then. Somewhere in my basement I still have old VHS tapes from Duke, of the IOM race and the Transatlantic Series. That was great stuff. However, one reason I don't make comparisons between guys who rode in road course races, is that they were essentially time-trials rather than races where contestants battle each other one-on-one in the same turn; a whole other kind of racing.

All due respect for manly racing and courageous derring do, as it were, but Ant seems to conflate macho fearlessness with racing talent, and in interview after interview, riders always iterate that racing is not about having the biggest balls, but rather about cool-headed race-craft; using the brain to strategize and calculate risk variables.

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COTA end of discussion until marquez doesnt show up there is nobody competitive.
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