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July 6th, 2017, 06:49 AM   #11
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Welkom 2004 was fantastic, but Catalunya 2009 wasn't bad either. That last corner pass for the win, after such a close battle, sliding on both wheels... that's the stuff riding dreams are made of... and it was Rossi's 99th win too
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Welkom 2004 was fantastic, but Catalunya 2009 wasn't bad either. That last corner pass for the win, after such a close battle, sliding on both wheels... that's the stuff riding dreams are made of... and it was Rossi's 99th win too
I should have titled this as 'their most memorable race of their life"

It's about the riders perspectives themselves, not yours. Also it's a shame you weren't watching in the eighties and nineties, because you'd probably have a different opinion.

As I mentioned in the opening post Welkom 2004 was indeed Rossi's most cherished. Daniboy recalled Donington '05, which was also also significant to Vale - although I would contend that Marquez's ride last year at Sachsenring when he effected the early change to slicks was one of the most incredible things I have ever seen on two wheels on a wet surface.

Allow me if you will to give another example, then you'll understand...

Rainey recollects Suzuka '93 as an out of body experience. He's not literally referring to the metaphysical but more a zen like calm that descended on him and he felt that he was so in control that sliding out of the chicane it was as though he was looking down on himself from above. The power of visualisation. The battle with Schwantz and Beattie was spectacular, Rainey fending them off on a slower bike through guile, finesse and racecraft. Consequently he cites this as "the most memorable ride of my life".
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Arrabbiata I'd like to hear in your words Hayden most memorable. He has a couple that stand out to me but I'd like to read it in your words.
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I would contend that Marquez's ride last year at Sachsenring when he effected the early change to slicks was one of the most incredible things I have ever seen on two wheels on a wet surface.
That was just a gamble while riding 8th with 14 laps to go in a drying track, with more to win than to lose, relative to his main opponents. There was a dry patch on much of the track by then, it was a great call in hindsight sure. Good judgement, good timing, careful riding in the first couple of laps and a bit of luck. Nothing more, nothing less.
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That was just a gamble while riding 8th with 14 laps to go in a drying track, with more to win than to lose, relative to his main opponents. There was a dry patch on much of the track by then, it was a great call in hindsight sure. Good judgement, good timing, careful riding in the first couple of laps and a bit of luck. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bollocks.

Careful riding? - he went balls out from the off. Also, far from a gamble this was very calculated in many respects.

I concede his off track excursion may have hastened his decision to come in earlier but this had much to do with the fact that he initially made the wrong tyre choice uncharacteristically opting for the extra soft observing that Valentino and Jorge had also made the choice.

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There was a dry patch on much of the track by then
Perhaps there was - from the perspective of your recliner. Aboard a 260bhp RC213v I would suggest that it wasn't so forthcoming. Definitely - by the end, but it was lap 18-21 that I found so remarkable.

He pitted on lap 17 well before the clear emergence of your supposed dry line and his decision to have the second bike on full slicks as opposed to intermediates was crucial. I am reminded of KRsnr's maxim, that if there aren't puddles a slick is as good as an imtermediate - hence Marc's comment that the intermediates "didn't exist". The track was drying quickly, as the Sachsenring is renowned for doing, but the racing line was still treacherous. Those first few laps and that charge through the pack on full slicks was unbelievable. In your previous post you were your pulling your pud over Valentino's "sliding on both wheels" so it's a great shame that you are oblivious to Marc's two wheel drifting...on full slicks...in the wet...at Sachsenring in 2016. Brilliant ride and I couldn't give two shits whether you think it was

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careful riding in the first couple of laps and a bit of luck. Nothing more, nothing less.
...Marc regards this as one of his most valued races, which is the essence of this thread.

Valentino on the other hand flagrantly disregarded his pit board and on the eve of this year's meeting with the announcement of the dashboard messaging which he bust a bollock to push through, I find this highly ironic. One wonders if in a similar display of petulance he will ignore his team's future electronic exhortations to pit in such a scenario.
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Arrabbiata I'd like to hear in your words Hayden most memorable. He has a couple that stand out to me but I'd like to read it in your words.
Sorry, just spotted this. As much as I loved his dominance at Laguna in '05 for me, Assen 2006. Pure grit, self belief and Colin pounding the gravel.

The most significant for me personally was his 2005 second place podium at Philip Island. Like Assen a true riders circuit and I remember post race Earl sounding as though his larynx had been torn out. To ride like that at the Island was a serious statement of intent and was huge for his confidence and self belief. That more than Laguna signified Nicky's arrival and that in the 990 class we beheld a future world beater.

That incredible battle at Sachsenring 2006 between Nicky, Rossi, Marco and Pedrosa - all on the top of their game. Remember the rubber on Nicky's leathers from leaning on Dani's front wheel around Omega?

Like I said this thread is about the most valued race from the rider's perspective, and I'm sure that Jum will confirm that in spite of Valencia 2006 -
Laguna 2005 was Nicky's personal favourite.
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Incidentally Dubby, Jum mentioned that you may well again be presiding over the Annual PS awards for the year.

In the class of the "biggest load of bollocks" or 'the worst' post of the year, I think that not only do we have a winner...

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That was just a gamble while riding 8th with 14 laps to go in a drying track, with more to win than to lose, relative to his main opponents. There was a dry patch on much of the track by then, it was a great call in hindsight sure. Good judgement, good timing, careful riding in the first couple of laps and a bit of luck. Nothing more, nothing less.
..but fuck me, if we don't have a runner up as well -

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A rider with great skills and important flaws too. He could ride in a way that made a big difference in the Ducati, for which he deserves a lot of credit, but perhaps not so much on other bikes. Dani was closer to him, if not a match, than he's ever been to Marquez, even in his rookie season. There's an element of lucky coincidence to his Ducati story, similar in a way to Lorenzo's Yamaha story (I think Lorenzo has been lucky relative to say Pedrosa). Stoner had a signficant crashing rate and not the greatest mental strength though, relative to the "reference" riders, who have to be Rossi and Marquez, both extremely tough motherfuckers.
It's like buses - you wait all day for one to come along...
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Incidentally Dubby, Jum mentioned that you may well again be presiding over the Annual PS awards for the year.

In the class of the "biggest load of bollocks" or 'the worst' post of the year, I think that not only do we have a winner...



..but fuck me, if we don't have a runner up as well -



It's like buses - you wait all day for one to come along...
Haha I thought you'd be happier with Choppers return.
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Haha I thought you'd be happier with Choppers return.
Well he made his preferences fairly obvious in 2015.

Where's Daniboy's rod?
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Seriously though, I'd donate a testicle to the Bob Champion foundation to lure the big guy back to this forum on a regular basis - even if he does talk bollocks about Rossi.
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