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June 9th, 2017, 06:49 PM   #41
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Here we go again, Rossi and Yamaha leads a revolt to get a change that was costing them time. Marquez was against changing back to the original chican as he was 2-3 10ths quicker than the Yamahas in the final sector. If we gave Rossi his 10th, would he promise to go awAy.
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June 9th, 2017, 08:32 PM   #42
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Crutchlow is a piece of shit.
I'm starting to warm to the guy,he makes me laugh....every time he falls off i fucking piss myself.
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Rossi has nothing to do with the chicane change, he is just one of the riders who wanted that change.
I do not think that the change will help him a lot as he seems far from the last year performance. Anyway he will be done with MotoGP in 2-3 years tops.
It is easy just to watch and enjoy but I see just hate and hate and more hate
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June 9th, 2017, 09:17 PM   #44
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Rossi has nothing to do with the chicane change, he is just one of the riders who wanted that change.
I do not think that the change will help him a lot as he seems far from the last year performance. Anyway he will be done with MotoGP in 2-3 years tops.
It is easy just to watch and enjoy but I see just hate and hate and more hate
Yes, you are correct, that is the story of gp bike racing for approaching 2 decades now, hatred of most riders other than Rossi, and definitely of any who at all challenge him, however worthy they may be.

I have mostly blamed the crazy element among Rossi fandom rather than he himself for this historically, but the events of late season 2015 changed my perspective.

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June 9th, 2017, 11:10 PM   #45
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I have mostly blamed the crazy element among Rossi fandom rather than he himself for this historically, but the events of late season 2026 changed my perspective.
Dude. Fix that date or you will have people flipping out on this forum that Rossi is still racing in 2026!
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June 9th, 2017, 11:25 PM   #46
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I have mostly blamed the crazy element among Rossi fandom rather than he himself for this historically, but the events of late season 2026 changed my perspective.
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Dude. Fix that date or you will have people flipping out on this forum that Rossi is still racing in 2026!
Mike is predicting the future, just as Jack did and we know that Jack proved correct
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Now, all we need in FP3 is for Jack to ride the new but now old chicane just as a piss take
Perhaps they should cordon off this time, otherwise It'll take another session for Jackass to realise again.

Seriously though, this reminds me of the tombstone mentality in aviation, where due to costs, improvements are only effected after an accident illuminates a potentially fatal defect. I thought this after the tragic death of Kato. Although a freak accident, and Suzuka was admittedly a dangerous and flawed circuit, but it was dropped whilst Laguna was added to the calendar which I consider far worse even post alterations. Again, the Salom incident was a complete freak, but the hazard was also present by which he lost his life. instead of this myopia, is there any attempt to review sections of other circuits (such as Misano - another dangerous place imo) to assess whether there is the potential for this to happen again. Woodcote is another example. Although, the difference appears lie in the existence of gravel trap. For those that regard this as a panacea, reacquaint yourselves with Hopper's ugly off at Assen on the Zook.

I'm with Stoner though. The disappearance of gravel traps has lead to shall we say the emergence of more opportunistic riding style.
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Tend to agree Arrib and am along the lines that every circuit has places where we have seen extremely severe injury or death at times in cars and/or bikes so where does the 'motorsports is dangerous' component come to effect?

Yes, we need to try to make the sport as safe as possible by the removal of as many unnecessary hazards as possible but we also have to be realistic (as unpalatable as that may sound) in that without cars using these circuits, then bike racing may not exist as many venues would receive greater income from cars which may go some way to subsidising the bikes.

For mine I have always agreed with CS in terms of the tarmac runoff component in that it is not a deterrent but in some instances is rather seen as an extension of the track and at other times, when a rider has fallen it does little to slow the rider down. As such for me, motorcycle racing in general needs to look at developing solutions that can be readily implemented that will act as a deterrent and where needed, improve the safety of the competitors, but at the same time I realise that there is likely no easy or ready fix.

We also need to understand that freak incidents will occur from time to time and whilst nobody wants to see deaths or injury, it is a component of the sport and what we need to do is learn and try to improve to lessen the risks whilst acknowledging that the risks will always exist.

My view may be archaic to some, but having been around and seen many of the circuits on the eastern australian seaboard I can say without fear of contradictory proof, that motorcycling lags a long way behind cars in the thoughts of circuit owners, so it is up to us to improve the sport and safety ourselves
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Crutchlow is a piece of shit.
Naah - he's actually a good lad which is why he's one of the most popular individual in the paddock - particularly amongst other riders. It just seems that racing a motorcycle sometimes doesn't bring the best out in him...which I find hilarious. What would people prefer, one of these sugar coated prescriptively P/R processed platitude ridden Dorna clones? The thing that I find most amusing about Crutch is that he incenses people on armchair forums yet is loved by his team and his counterparts. Which is quite telling really. The thing that is consistently missed is the fact that once he has shot his mouth off, after a period of reflection he is usually quite magnanimous. Not because he's had some bollocking from Chech or some Dorna lacky, but because he's genuinely quite a thoughtful individual.

Regarding the Pedrosa comment last week that seemed to rile so many, he really meant and you can tell - although only a point was at stake, he was still pissed this weekend. I agree with Hodgson, Cal Crutchlow rides for Cal Crutchlow, why shouldn't he be pleased that a shite move from Dani cost him second in the championship? Is there any other rider that wouldn't internally be thinking that? - it's just that being Crutchlow, unlike some other riders that spring to mind in the paddock, instead of internalising it, he'll get it out...Foggy was equally forthright and in a the world of insincerity that we now live in, (and particularly in the context of this paddock), such candour and undisguised plainspokenness is something that I find that quite refreshing.

Like Stoner, Crutchlow doesn't care who he upsets. If it needs to be said - you can count on him to say it. The problem arises when something doesn't need to be said...and that's why his feeble diplomacy dike should be reinforced not breached.
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June 10th, 2017, 12:41 AM   #50
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We need personality in the paddock ............. not the robotic media puppets that speak only that which will be well received by fans, DORNA and the organisation.

I may not agree with all that spews forth from Cal's mouth (totally disagree with the Pedrosa comment - not about the accident but the championship) but will happily admit that I would rather listen to him and his comments than I would listen to those that seemingly read from a script.

For me, I always find it interesting that we often want a personality, or someone who is 'different' yet when we have them we criticise (just as Miller gets criticised in some places).



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Like Stoner, Crutchlow doesn't care who he upsets. If it needs to be said - you can count on him to say it. The problem arises when something doesn't need to be said...and that's why his feeble diplomacy dike should be reinforced not breached.
One of the reasons I liked listening to CS was that he called a spade a spade, and whilst delivery may be lacking at times (and by delivery I mean the manner of delivery), and while at time I cringe at the likes of CS, Cal, Jack etc, I will admit that I love it when they throw an upset the applecart fuck you all comment. MotoGP needs these guys and their comments at times so bring it on
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