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May 19th, 2017, 08:02 PM   #1
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Michelin 070 chosen by riders

It won with with 20 votes out of 23, and it is going to be the only construction availabe from Mugello on. No official press release, but the announcement is out. GPOne:
https://www.gpone.com/en/2017/05/19/...ugello-gp.html
There is a also video on the official MotoGP web site with Capirossi giving the announcement.
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It won with with 20 votes out of 23, and it is going to be the only construction availabe from Mugello on. No official press release, but the announcement is out. GPOne:
https://www.gpone.com/en/2017/05/19/...ugello-gp.html
There is a also video on the official MotoGP web site with Capirossi giving the announcement.
Was there ever any doubt the harder construction tire would be available.
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I started to post about this in the Frenchie thread to get that out of the dumps, since there has been a bit of talk about the 70. It's hard to get that many people to agree about anything, let alone motorcycle racers and their equipment. :laughing

I would like a poll:
Is Capirossi telling the truth about the number of riders that want it? Link requires MotoGP video pass, I think. Front tire choice
I vote no.
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
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The shame of a lot of this is that the vote is secret .............. make the vote public and often the results are different .

That said, all BS anyway, bring back multiple choice selections and competition
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I started to post about this in the Frenchie thread to get that out of the dumps, since there has been a bit of talk about the 70. It's hard to get that many people to agree about anything, let alone motorcycle racers and their equipment. :laughing

I would like a poll:
Is Capirossi telling the truth about the number of riders that want it? Link requires MotoGP video pass, I think. Front tire choice
I vote no.
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
The votes of 23 riders are really easy to check, who would risk losing face on such a thing.

This said, in case some riders are in doubt or indifferent, there are also manufacturers and teams in this game who do influence such a vote. I heard Cecchinello on Italian TV saying clearly that the current Honda works better with the 070, period. The only Honda rider who could prefer the softer one is Pedrosa, if only because he would have more chances of beating his teammate with that one!

I think it is reasonable to doubt the sincerity of many riders (notably Rossi and Marquez) when they say they don't really have a preference for one tire or the other, that tehy are very similar, etc etc... Marquez began saying something like that in the Press Conference, only to contradict himself in the next sentence when he stated that he didn't find any problems with the 070, while he reckoned he had some problems with the softer carcass.

These riders simply do not want to express a clear preference to avoid being accused of looking for an advantage for themselves, that's clear enough. The most honest so far has been Lorenzo, who stated his preference for the softer carcass without any ambivalence.
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The votes of 23 riders are really easy to check, who would risk losing face on such a thing.

This said, in case some riders are in doubt or indifferent, there are also manufacturers and teams in this game who do influence such a vote. I heard Cecchinello on Italian TV saying clearly that the current Honda works better with the 070, period. The only Honda rider who could prefer the softer one is Pedrosa, if only because he would have more chances of beating his teammate with that one!

I think it is reasonable to doubt the sincerity of many riders (notably Rossi and Marquez) when they say they don't really have a preference for one tire or the other, that tehy are very similar, etc etc... Marquez began saying something like that in the Press Conference, only to contradict himself in the next sentence when he stated that he didn't find any problems with the 070, while he reckoned he had some problems with the softer carcass.

These riders simply do not want to express a clear preference to avoid being accused of looking for an advantage for themselves, that's clear enough. The most honest so far has been Lorenzo, who stated his preference for the softer carcass without any ambivalence.
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The shame of a lot of this is that the vote is secret .............. make the vote public and often the results are different .

That said, all BS anyway, bring back multiple choice selections and competition
The sizable majority should put to bed the theory that the change is only for one rider.
I totally agree that multiple choice is the way forward in fairness.
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The sizable majority should put to bed the theory that the change is only for one rider.
I totally agree that multiple choice is the way forward in fairness.
Maybe, but as was reported in previous years, the real shame is where a rider may choose a tyre to disadvantage another rather than to advantage themselves but yes, if the reported number is correct that could be seen as many wanting the change.

Alternately though, and for mine this is pure conspiracy but I suspect that a lot of riders are somewhat sheeple and do not want to upset a majority or their factory
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Maybe, but as was reported in previous years, the real shame is where a rider may choose a tyre to disadvantage another rather than to advantage themselves but yes, if the reported number is correct that could be seen as many wanting the change.

Alternately though, and for mine this is pure conspiracy but I suspect that a lot of riders are somewhat sheeple and do not want to upset a majority or their factory
In this case I do believe the 20 just plain preferred #70, not to disadvantage anyone like in 2012.
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These riders simply do not want to express a clear preference to avoid being accused of looking for an advantage for themselves, that's clear enough. The most honest so far has been Lorenzo, who stated his preference for the softer carcass without any ambivalence.
But then in Lorenzo's case, there is nothing to gain from such equivocation.

I do think that Redding and Dovi were being truthful in saying that they have no preference.

Over the years, disingenuity and insincerity is something that I've come to associate with Valentino.
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But then in Lorenzo's case, there is nothing to gain from such equivocation.

I do think that Redding and Dovi were being truthful in saying that they have no preference.

Over the years, disingenuity and insincerity is something that I've come to associate with Valentino.

True for Lorenzo, and yes, Dovi is always honest as well. Valentino and Marquez are actually very similar in their ways, whatever you want to associate them with. Actually the young champ (whom I also admire wholeheartedly as a rider) has probably surpassed the old master in more ways than one.
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