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May 21st, 2017, 01:48 AM   #61
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Uhm...you may want to revisit the "factory with concessions" class, "open class", and the short lived "factory 2" class. Performance handicapping is very much utilized in GP.

Though at very least the above handicapping is done by the virtues of a dignified rolling rule book, I take your point for which I agree, that moving the Michelin goal post does the same.
I very likely share your view on those things, but at least they were put in place before a season started. It is tweaking things to the advantage or disadvantage of particular riders when the season is well underway under the rules/with the tyres which were the same for all the field at the start of the season with which I am taking issue. To be clear, my personal conspiracy theory is that Dorna have mainly acted to disadvantage unpopular riders rather than to advantage popular riders including Rossi.
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Ditto Mike and 33.

From what I have seen it was a one or other vote but is being presented in some media as a one or both but that may be that some oft he reports going or seemingly going that way are not primary english sites so may well be a little lost in translation.

Again, open tyre competition should be encouraged and (IMO) if Michelin have capacity to make multiple choices, than they should do so in equal numbers.
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Disadvantaging unpopular riders is advantaging popular riders.
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Dani, that says 'for one or two races' they were prepared to provide both tyres as the vote was intended to determine the tyre from Mugello but due to the clarity of the vote they have now decided to provide one tyre only.

Ie, from within your article

Michelin were prepared to continue supplying the current front tyre alongside the stiffer option for 'one or two races'.

Goubert said Michelin would have been happy to offer both front tyres for a limited time: "Last year we had two different constructions during the season and we kept the choice of both at a few races. So it's not unheard of. It makes sense in a way as well.


Both the above comments from the article would indicate that there was a definite limit to two tyres being available, thus and by correlation, the vote was for which tyre to run, not which tyres (although, a closer vote may have seen the other tyre continued to Mugello)


The vote was always for one tyre only from (as I understand) Mugello

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This cant be real...it simply cant be true....sorry it must be fake news....the source is Kelly Anne Conway surely....
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I agree that Lorenzo's predicament is to influence other riders to help him counteract Rossi's influence over Dorna. Unfortunately, the influence Rossi has over Dorna is far to heavy, weighing perhaps the amount of a motorhome.

If Lorenzo's response to Miller's rude comment in public is bitching, then by your standard, Rossi has got to be King Bitch. Please Zarco, don't race me so hard. Don't you know the Unwritten Rule?
Which of the 20 riders that voted for #70 is Dorna?

And why didnt the majority of Ducati riders not vote against the #70 tyre choice?
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Has anyone heard about this April vote for both tyres before, I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. Rather conveinient it turned up on the MotoGP site now, when it happened in April.
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Disadvantaging unpopular riders is advantaging popular riders.
Obviously.

I don't go quite as far as some in contending that they are producing tyres specifically to suit Rossi now, quite possibly because it is not really possible to do so admittedly.
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This cant be real...it simply cant be true....sorry it must be fake news....the source is Kelly Anne Conway surely....
The source is real, and so may the content, what you and Daniboy are having difficulty with is understanding it's meaning. Certainly further explanation on this point is futile, but I'll write it for the benefit of others reading the thread.

You yourself said to Mike that both tires should be made available, but then pointed to the "vote" (outlined in the linked article) which rendered that possibility off the table. Have you asked yourself why this was the only realistic choice? Don't bother, I know the answer. But for the benefit of others, there is no choice! Not a useful one anyway because the "option" to "vote" for both tires is CONDITIONAL! Michelin said they'd consider providing both for maybe a race or two. Not exactly the epitome of conviction. So let me get this straight, our choice is between two extremely similar tires, both basically #70, but the other tire is DEFINITELY slated to be discontinued, yet may be, potentially, probably, chances are, for a race or two. And so the "choice" I have if I pick both, is to waste time gathering data on a discontinued tire rather than begin the work of trying to understand Rossi's tire err I mean the #70? That's my "options"?

Migs and Daniboy, if you were in the predicament of such a "choice" and you're Lorenzo, Viņalez, or any other rider presented with this ridiculous "option", how would you "vote"?

There is only ONE useful "option" rendering the "vote" a complete bullshit exercise! It's a vote for the affect of consumption. Judging from Migs and Daniboy's swallowing it whole, I suspect it's fooled many of like mind.
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Dorna does not give a shit about transparency.

They manipulate these votes and changes by putting out multiple conflicting stories so no one is entirely sure what happened.

It's more befitting of some Banana Republic or ex-Eastern bloc country pretending to conduct business under the guise of 'democracy'.
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