MotoGP Forum  

Go Back   MotoGP Forum > MotoGP Forum > MotoGP

MotoGP MotoGP Forum - MotoGP Class Motorcycle Racing Forum


Like Tree63Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
May 20th, 2017, 09:33 AM   #21
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2015
From: anywhere atm moving back home soon,UK

Posts: 582
Likes: 106

I Ride: A bicycle.
Quote:
Originally Posted by danski View Post
I don't have a bike now, haven't since my zx10r ten years ago. However I do remember the standard Bridgestone's were too hard and changing to Michelin pilot powers made it much easier to ride. I've no doubt those Bridgestone's would maybe have suited another brand better.
Its funny but in all the years I've ridden I've never been on a Kwak, not even for a test ride. A friend of mine rides a ZX12R and he's said try it out, but I'd not do it justice now so won't, to frightened I'd drop it LOL. (not riding it but while stationary)

Tomorrow I'm going to see a Triumph 675, but I have a feeling its a little small for me.
danski likes this.
Theo is offline  
 
May 20th, 2017, 09:33 AM   #22
Blue Smoker
 
Arrabbiata1's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2008
From: Out of Nowhere

Posts: 6,757
Likes: 2433

I Ride: The original
Quote:
Originally Posted by J4rn0 View Post
Lorenzo also tried Rossi's crowd-pleasing tricks, but that's not really his cup of tea. He always came across as contrived.
Lorenzo was at it in 250cc. Many of his stunts were more amusing and creative imo.
Arrabbiata1 is offline  
May 20th, 2017, 10:21 AM   #23
Senior Member
 
JPSLotus's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2015
From: Hethel Industrial Estate, Potash Ln, Hethel, Norwich NR14 8EY, United Kingdom

Posts: 4,643
Likes: 2059

Quote:
Originally Posted by J4rn0 View Post
Don't you see? Pleasing the crowds and promoting the myth of themselves as the youngest/fastest riders (each in his own generation). They are very similar in that. That's also why, despite the initial friendship, they were bound to clash. Had Rossi retired in time, say end of 2014, they would have gone down to history as father and son, so to say.
Lorenzo also tried Rossi's crowd-pleasing tricks, but that's not really his cup of tea. He always came across as contrived.
This kind of considerations is not aimed at invalidating in any way the sheer talent of these riders, which is huge and has to be evaluated in its own merit.
I don't agree with you on this.

Marquez is the most talented rider on the grid currently IMO. I stated a number of times that his 2016 title was the most difficult championship win since Casey Stoner on the GP7 a decade ago. Instead it was buried by the media who happily went back to the VR narrative. His ability to win a title on a horrific handling bike, to say nothing of how badly Honda got the engine was an incredible accomplishment that I suspect will not be appreciated by most till years down the road. Then again, given how people still like to argue about how supposedly unimpressive Stoner's win on the GP7 was, I'm not sure MM's title will ever get the proper recognition.

Mind you that was how he responded to everything post-Sepang 2015...and we know that what happened there in particular with the hostile crowds/fans and MM's home/family would have made lesser riders fold permanently...after all we saw it with Rossi's prior foes in bygone years. Instead he put his head down and responded by winning the world title.

In the beginning yes, I do think he was trying to pander to the crowds the way Valentino did and continues to do. But since 2015, that's not been the case from my vantage point. He does try to engage the crowd, but it doesn't have the feel it did in 2013 or 2014, and he seems more focused on doing the job at hand - winning.
payne by name likes this.
JPSLotus is offline  
May 20th, 2017, 10:52 AM   #24
Senior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2015
From: Southport England

Posts: 876
Likes: 434

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arrabbiata1 View Post
Lorenzo was at it in 250cc. Many of his stunts were more amusing and creative imo.
You mean like when he jumped in the pond and nearly drowned?
AntG is online now  
May 20th, 2017, 12:29 PM   #25
Blue Smoker
 
Arrabbiata1's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2008
From: Out of Nowhere

Posts: 6,757
Likes: 2433

I Ride: The original
Quote:
Originally Posted by AntG View Post
You mean like when he jumped in the pond and nearly drowned?
That's exactly what I meant. Brilliant.

I liked the doppelgangers, even though they were different heights. I also appreciated riding the Fortuna fold up bicycle into parc-ferme at Phillip Island.
Arrabbiata1 is offline  
May 20th, 2017, 02:49 PM   #26
Gaz
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2007
From: Dubvegas, or thereabouts

Posts: 5,212
Likes: 1685

Ah reports that Lorenzo and Miller had words with regards the tyres with Lorenzo pushing one tyre and using his championships to indicate a higher degree of knowledge with Miller responding that 'opinions are like assholes, everyone has one' to which JL has taken offence.

Jorge Lorenzo llama ?maleducado? a Jack Miller, y dice que ?Dios le ha cogido con pinzas? | MotoGP | Motociclismo.es

This is said to have been JL's response but not sure of the correctness (where I found this says that JL's response was after Millers crash) - reading it, I hope the information is wrong or poorly translated.

Lorenzo's response was basically: It was very rude. That should not be said to any rider in front of everyone and less to one who is five times world champion. I think that today God saved him, that today was not his day to really hurt himself. (reference to his FP4 crash) Today is a warning that MotoGP the sport has given him - that said to him that this is not a joke. It's up to him to take that warning or not. Miller is one of the pilots who is less aware of the risk and He plays it more.
Gaz is offline  
May 20th, 2017, 03:28 PM   #27
Senior Member
 
danski's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2015
From: A caravan on an island

Posts: 1,529
Likes: 410

I Ride: Shanks pony.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaz View Post
Ah reports that Lorenzo and Miller had words with regards the tyres with Lorenzo pushing one tyre and using his championships to indicate a higher degree of knowledge with Miller responding that 'opinions are like assholes, everyone has one' to which JL has taken offence.

Jorge Lorenzo llama ?maleducado? a Jack Miller, y dice que ?Dios le ha cogido con pinzas? | MotoGP | Motociclismo.es

This is said to have been JL's response but not sure of the correctness (where I found this says that JL's response was after Millers crash) - reading it, I hope the information is wrong or poorly translated.

Lorenzo's response was basically: It was very rude. That should not be said to any rider in front of everyone and less to one who is five times world champion. I think that today God saved him, that today was not his day to really hurt himself. (reference to his FP4 crash) Today is a warning that MotoGP the sport has given him - that said to him that this is not a joke. It's up to him to take that warning or not. Miller is one of the pilots who is less aware of the risk and He plays it more.
Think they call it 'dayus horribulus' in some parts.
danski is offline  
May 20th, 2017, 03:38 PM   #28
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2007
From: sydney australia

Posts: 9,258
Likes: 1465

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaz View Post
Ah reports that Lorenzo and Miller had words with regards the tyres with Lorenzo pushing one tyre and using his championships to indicate a higher degree of knowledge with Miller responding that 'opinions are like assholes, everyone has one' to which JL has taken offence.

Jorge Lorenzo llama ?maleducado? a Jack Miller, y dice que ?Dios le ha cogido con pinzas? | MotoGP | Motociclismo.es

This is said to have been JL's response but not sure of the correctness (where I found this says that JL's response was after Millers crash) - reading it, I hope the information is wrong or poorly translated.

Lorenzo's response was basically: It was very rude. That should not be said to any rider in front of everyone and less to one who is five times world champion. I think that today God saved him, that today was not his day to really hurt himself. (reference to his FP4 crash) Today is a warning that MotoGP the sport has given him - that said to him that this is not a joke. It's up to him to take that warning or not. Miller is one of the pilots who is less aware of the risk and He plays it more.
I sincerely hope Jorge is less prophetic than he was in regard to another rider 6 years ago.

I wasn't going to bother entering the fray on the "tyre wars" thing again, but yet again a rider with a different riding style has had a tyre which suits that riding style withdrawn. When done midseason this is blatantly unreasonable and unfair, regardless of majority opinion at that particular point in time, and imo when such a decision is made both tyres should continue to be available for the rest of the season concerned, to say nothing of my old hobby horse that a wider variety of tyres to suit a wider variety of riding styles and bike designs should be available in the first place.
Arrabbiata1 likes this.
michaelm is offline  
May 20th, 2017, 03:52 PM   #29
Gaz
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2007
From: Dubvegas, or thereabouts

Posts: 5,212
Likes: 1685

It has been reported that the 3 dissenters were Lorenzo, Vinales and Baz

Will now be interesting to watch their results to see how much an impact the decision has had

As for the tyres, once again my take is the more choices, the better the racing will be, although as we also know, a number disagree with that train of thought




As for the prophetic comments Mike, I do not see Miller in the same mould as Simoncelli but rather see the comment from JL as different.

Whilst yet Jack crashes a fair bit he does not come across in MotoGP as being as aggressive as he was in Moto3 and nor do I see him with a 'win at all cost' attitude these days as now he is more upset with such riding (queue last race), so on that score I think JL is out of line if, and I emphasise if what was reportedly said is correct

Last edited by Gaz; May 20th, 2017 at 03:55 PM.
Gaz is offline  
May 20th, 2017, 04:06 PM   #30
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2014
From: Melbourne

Posts: 597
Likes: 228

Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelm View Post
I sincerely hope Jorge is less prophetic than he was in regard to another rider 6 years ago.




Yes, JLo has an eerie record on that. I share your sentiment. I think Jack does have to take more risks to compensate for the machine deficit but many do. Thank goodness he's not in the SIC class of unfortunate recklessness.
Cool Blue is offline  
Reply

  MotoGP Forum > MotoGP Forum > MotoGP

Tags
070, chosen, michelin, riders



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Michelin etc. J4rn0 MotoGP 263 October 19th, 2015 10:51 AM
Michelin kieran MotoGP 46 July 22nd, 2008 12:22 PM
Michelin 2008: same teams and more riders? twotems MotoGP 3 September 3rd, 2007 07:42 AM
Michelin 2CT Motorcycle Toy Store MotoGP 6 December 7th, 2006 05:11 AM
Riders of Today VS Riders of Yesterday cmk304 MotoGP 50 November 15th, 2006 10:07 AM


Facebook Twitter Google+ RSS Feed



Copyright © 2005-2017 Powerslide. All rights reserved.
MotoGP Forum is a MotoGP enthusiast's forum, but it is in no way affiliated with, nor does it represent MotoGP or Dorna Sports, S.L. of Madrid, Spain.