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June 1st, 2017, 05:07 PM   #101
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I don't because it screws Vinales for being better at utilising the tyre they mostly all voted for the first time, pre-season.


Have both tyres available for the rest of the season unless there is a genuine safety issue is the only fair thing imo as I and others have said. I have no problem with the new construction tyre being the choice for next season as a result of a pre-season majority decision, but not after a season has started when a contending rider has proven more proficient at utilising the existing tyre.

If you want a series where they handicap bikes as the season progresses like WSBK prior to DORNA buying that series fine, but that is not my idea of premier class gp bike racing, and handicapping riders/riding styles is even more malodorous, again imo.
You nailed the shit out of it. This mid season manipulation reeks of "fixing". Both tires should be available to all riders for the rest of the year and narrow it to one next year. As I said a few months ago, Between Carmelo and Goober, they are playing Kingmaker. The only thing holding them back is Marc Marquez. He will beat Rossi badly on a consistent basis when both have their desired front tire.its still possible for Marquez to fuck up enough times and Vinales struggle with new front that Rossi backs into a title.
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Why didn't Marquez vote for it in the pre-season vote if it's such an advantage to him!
Marc was so eager to use this tire that he vetoed it at Argentina. Veto and vote are like the same thing right?
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Marc was so eager to use this tire that he vetoed it at Argentina. Veto and vote are like the same thing right?
Voting card for pre-season tyre vote.

Please tick your preference:
( ) l vote for the use of the 070 Michelin tyre
( ) I veto the use of the 070 Michelin tyre

Simple really, especially for those who english is a second language.
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June 2nd, 2017, 01:30 AM   #104
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Maybe you and others should ask Marc directly.

This is what he just said:
MotoGP?

But of course it could all be part of the Rossi conspiracy, duh.
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June 2nd, 2017, 02:04 AM   #105
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Why didn't Marquez vote for it in the pre-season vote if it's such an advantage to him!
Because pre season the tyre according to all riders but Rossi was shit. So instead of developing the tyre the riders chose originally, Michelin went away and made the #70 tyre better than the original #06 tyre which is totally unpredictable and total dog shit for the riders.
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Maybe you and others should ask Marc directly.

This is what he just said:
MotoGP?

But of course it could all be part of the Rossi conspiracy, duh.
The implications of this evidently still elude you.

Originally, during pre-season testing there was one approval of this tyre from one rider just as the lobbying for its reintroduction originated from the same camp. This snowballed into a vote which has once more witnessed a change of tyre construction mid-season - however far from being predicated upon safety, this is entirely about rider preference (or originally, one rider in particular's preference). The ramifications of this for the sport, irrespective of the original motivations for its reappraisal are manifest. However, in this case, the powerful force influencing this change is also of grave significance for not only the future integrity but the very probity of the sport. Whether or not they benefit from the change, are you really suggesting that say Crutchlow or even Márquez could have similarly successfully petitioned for this vote far less even persuaded 'fix-elin' to entertain the notion of a mothballed #70 carcass?

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Maybe you and others should ask Marc directly.

This is what he just said:
MotoGP?

But of course it could all be part of the Rossi conspiracy, duh.
Marc has said other things, which do not support your apparent claim, I am afraid.

I believe that many of the conspiracy proponents have said all along that Rossi/Dorna could ruin their own plan with the 070 because it suits Marquez, too. I agree with that. I think almost anything Rossi will like, Marquez will like, also. This is not a revelation.
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This season has turned into a colossal crock of shit.

The mid-season tire change was only made possible because of Rossi wanting the tire. This never gets to a vote if any other rider on the grid makes the request.

Just hammers home further that the spec tire is the path to ruination for this sport.

Michelin's tire design philosophy has not changed in decades. Go back to the 500cc era of the late 1980s/early 1990s, and Michelin was all about making a grippy rear tire that came at the expense of the front tire. It took several laps to warm up to operating temperatures compared to the Dunlops, but when warmed up they were noted for a ton of side grip. That abundance of side grip has a lot to do with the numerous high-sides of riders of that era since you could lose grip and then suddenly find the bike regaining grip at the rear unexpectedly before you got launched off the bike.

It would be better for all watching if we had at least 2 tire manufacturers supplying the grid.

Even though purportedly the tire is the same for everyone, rider feedback would indicate there are significant variations in tire performance with the same tire compounds being used. So you have no idea what you will get from tire to tire as Vinales found out.

It's interesting, the season started out with a lot of promise and has now managed to go straight into the shitter because of Rossi/Dorna/Michelin...the usual culprits that manage to ruin everything because of an obsession with a 10th world title that ultimately means nothing due to the constant manipulation of the tires.

Something to be proud of I guess? The fans are being scammed by Dorna and Michelin but think this is all perfectly normal.
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This season has turned into a colossal crock of shit.

The mid-season tire change was only made possible because of Rossi wanting the tire. This never gets to a vote if any other rider on the grid makes the request.

Just hammers home further that the spec tire is the path to ruination for this sport.

Michelin's tire design philosophy has not changed in decades. Go back to the 500cc era of the late 1980s/early 1990s, and Michelin was all about making a grippy rear tire that came at the expense of the front tire. It took several laps to warm up to operating temperatures compared to the Dunlops, but when warmed up they were noted for a ton of side grip. That abundance of side grip has a lot to do with the numerous high-sides of riders of that era since you could lose grip and then suddenly find the bike regaining grip at the rear unexpectedly before you got launched off the bike.

It would be better for all watching if we had at least 2 tire manufacturers supplying the grid.

Even though purportedly the tire is the same for everyone, rider feedback would indicate there are significant variations in tire performance with the same tire compounds being used. So you have no idea what you will get from tire to tire as Vinales found out.

It's interesting, the season started out with a lot of promise and has now managed to go straight into the shitter because of Rossi/Dorna/Michelin...the usual culprits that manage to ruin everything because of an obsession with a 10th world title that ultimately means nothing due to the constant manipulation of the tires.

Something to be proud of I guess? The fans are being scammed by Dorna and Michelin but think this is all perfectly normal.

But as I have said elsewhere I don't think Rossi will be anywhere near a podium place, he is in trouble with his right chest/arm situation. I know its not been said but I bet he has got at least 2 broken ribs, as his chest hit the handlebars in his between race accident.
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Marquez is the rider who has dominated the MotoGP field since 2013 and he's the one who's going to benefit the most from the reintroduction of the 070, -- by his own admission. Rossi could have better chances against Vinales or Pedrosa on the 006 than against Marquez on the 070.

By the way, I think Vinales is not going to be affected by this change much. So Rossi is going to have more problems with the reintroduction of the 070, not less. Add to the mix a possible 070-resurrected Iannone -- the perfect spoiler.

But of course Michelin is going to give Rossi a custom 070 SNS, uh? Designed just for him, overnight!
If, rider influence is the decisive factor, it would not be based on who won the most races, but rather, who puts the most asses in seats.

And no, I'm not saying all Rossi fans are asses.
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