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May 21st, 2017, 10:20 AM   #71
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I think we were robbed of a much better finish today. I'm disappointed with how the end of the race went.
Nah I'm glad Zarco came 2nd, Pedro was just jammy, I would have given him a 5 second penalty for the move on Crutchlow as he hit him from the rear, arsehole
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Nah I'm glad Zarco came 2nd, Pedro was just jammy, I would have given him a 5 second penalty for the move on Crutchlow as he hit him from the rear, arsehole
That wasn't an intentionally dirty move as I saw it. Crutchlow was slightly off line or was running a late apex and Dani on the tighter line went for the gap. Perfectly acceptable.
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That wasn't an intentionally dirty move as I saw it. Crutchlow was slightly off line or was running a late apex and Dani on the tighter line went for the gap. Perfectly acceptable.
Cal said as much, no complaint from him.
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Cal said as much, no complaint from him.
It looked as though he was struggling to get the thing turned in on the hard front.
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That's precisely the issue - he lost no time by running off the track. A mistake that blatant is supposed to cost you time. What happened when Rossi was forced to cut the track by another rider (as opposed to his own mistake)? He was docked time for cutting the track. I won't be sad to see Vinales win the title though. In the end, the loss was no one's fault but Rossi's though. I was sad to be deprived of what could have been a brilliant final few turns regardless of who won. Those moments are why I get up at 7 a.m. to watch the race live instead of watching the video whenever I wake up. And as much as I've hated Dani since the Hayden incident, I wouldn't mind seeing him finally get one either - though I'd rather see him do it by winning, not by attrition.
Rossi cheated when he tried to hang on to the lead by Zarco .... Vinales showed Rossi the proper way to do it. He re-entered behind Rossi.

Thats a reality check for you.
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...He gained time on Marquez? - which appears to be the point that you are missing.
The trouble is that Moto Dorna/FIM doesn't have good rules on leaving the track. This didn't use to be such a common issue. The Laguna Corkscrew passes were very unusual. But all the tracks are adding extra tarmac run off for cars and bikes, and the newer tracks are all designed with more off course asphalt.

Simple rules, like an automatic one place or .25 second penalty, need to be put in place, so if you leave the racing course you get penalized. It is still better than riding into a gravel pit and ending your day, isn't it?
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Kudos to Rossi for going for the win at all costs. His intention was to try again at the last double corner. Had he succeeded, it would have been a miracle. Perhaps it's no more miracle season for Valentino. But he tried 110%. Bravo.

Apart from this, the real news from Les Mans is that Yamaha has recovered from Jerez' problems, whatever they were, and that Johan Zarco is for real. On last year's M1 which supposedly was unable to conserve tires for the second half of a race, he arrived only a few seconds behind the winner, on soft tires. Chapeau.
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I don't know, maybe Rossi was just knackered from the sheer physical demands of the pace. Running blocking lines to keep MV behind was vintage Rossi I thought and a negative tactic that got what it deserves. MV too good to be held back by that.

I was starting to feel ok about the ten times before that: he managed the whole weekend well and rode a brilliant race.

I knew MM was going to crash when he started doing record lap times to bridge the gap. Pity the yam is so dominant this year.

Good result for Jack under the circumstances. Actually, just walking around is a good result for him.
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I didn't see this as a win at all costs throw caution to the wind ride from Rossi at all. What did happen was he made an uncharacteristic error then panicked and threw a sure win away. On the last 2 laps if anyone looked close to crashing it was Vinales. He made one mistake he was lucky to get away with and on the last lap looked loose as a goose but managed to hold it together. What I saw was Vinales going win at all costs knowing a Rossi victory prior to Mugello on the #70 tire would swing the momentum strongly in Rossi's favor for the championship. All Vinales managed was to delay the shift for a fortnight, Rossi will win Mugello at a canter and then its most definitely championship on for the rest of the season. The crash appears bad but I think the opposite, at this stage of his career Rossi has proven a nervous front runner, chasing Vinales down especially in the latter stages if it turns out that way will help Rossi get to his holy 10th grail.

No surprise for me watching the race knowing Rossi was on his favored #70 tire he looked to be in complete control and biding his time until the last laps. Check both passes on Zarco and Vinales, at the same part of the track where Miller and Marquez went down, Rossi is benefitting from the extra stability and dives deep on the brakes as is his trademark. To set up those moves at such a high speed corner means Rossi is brimming with confidence now, his apparent Yamaha set-up travails a thing of the past with the stiff construction, no surprise there as its what he wanted since day 1 of testing way back at Valencia.

For mine both Vinales and Zarco did not appear as comfortable on the new spec tire as they were previously, at the time in the race where both would usually pull away they both appeared tentative and unwilling to push. Then there was Marquez on the supposed good for Honda more stable 70 tire looking as bad as he has pretty much has in his whole time in motogp, throwing it down the road countless times. He may now be rethinking his comments on the tire change vote. Might have made a tactical error. From what he says, they all outright rejected #70 back in Valencia due to some sort of mis-match between carcass and rubber. Rossi was the only rider who favored it. For those questioning tire conspiracy theories, just consider after being outright rejected by all riders bar one, Michelin rather than simply shelve it instead went away and actually continued to develop the #70 tire, rather than continue to develop the tire the majority of the riders preferred. Strange, why bother? Could have been developing the #06 tire, instead they appear to have come up with rubber which overheats and doesn't suit that construction. Again, very strange development practice. Until we see, according to Marquez, that they have come up with a rubber which actually makes the #70 work, it all makes sence. It looks to me like this was a priority, and the instigator of yet another rider vote, yes its that man Capirossi again.

Honestly the safety director or whatever the hell he is pisses me off no end with his bullshit, we had 2 riders loosing the front yet again at a very fast dangerous section of track and it was a miracle Miller was not seriously injured, where the fuck is safety man Capirossi reviewing both suitability of the front tire and the uneven runoff that sent Miller flying into the air? No concern of Capi no doubt he will be looking forward to Mugello. And no surprise Lorenzo, two weeks after finding form at Jerez, suddenly forgot how to ride once again at the same circuit he demolished the field just 12 months ago, by coincidence just before a tire change. Its mid season no tire should be taken away. I noticed for the race Miller went for the soft front, the tire which supposedly doesn't suit the Honda, no doubt just hoping for some confidence the front will stick or at least give some warning before it lets go. Which by the way was the whole purpose of the original softer carcass tire they just happened to have taken away. Add a new construction by all means but taking away tires certain riders favor and are more comfortable on only increases the risk and likelihood of crashing, it doesn't benefit safety Capi, who by the way should be sacked for incompetence.
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The new tyre doesn't come in until Mugello.

Regardless IMO we've seen so far over the season that the current 06 tyre doesn't work over race distance for a lot of the riders. I do believe the shit front tyre is a safety issue however I'm in agreement that if it wasn't Rossi pushing for it at the start then there's no way it would've been bought to R2 or that the Jerez test would be mostly dedicated to retesting a previously rejected tyre. As you said Birdman, strange that Michelin continued to develop a rejected tyre.

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