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November 17th, 2017, 05:16 PM   #51
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Rossi has been consistently better than both Pedrosa and Dovi throughout his career (even if we limit the comparison to when Dovi was on a factory bike).

After Galbusera entered the fray, Rossi finished ahead of Lorenzo in 2 out of the next 3 years. Let's not forget that Rossi has finished second in every world championship since Galbusera has been his crew chief other than 2017 (when he broke his leg).

Like him or not, Marquez, Lorenzo, Rossi, Vinales and Pedrosa are the leading riders in the world. Dovi has clearly entered that fray too.

Zarco had a strong rookie year, and I suspect he will permanently become a fixture among the top riders.
So in summary, you basically agree with my post that Marquez, Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Vinales are faster than Rossi. Two have won more titles than Rossi in the last 8 yrs, Pedrosa has won more races in that tie and in the time he has been on a top bike, Vinales has won more races. That puts them all above Rossi imo as of 2017. His performances this season alone puts Dovi above him too, though overall career wise Dovi is not comparable to Rossi.

You make a statement about 2017 as if it was the only reason he didn't finish second yet again. However, even Rossi himself has stated that it unlikely affected his championship position because had he ridden in a wet Misano, he most likely would have been at the tail end of the top 10 anyway. Maybe enough points to hold onto 4th but he was nowhere near the top two all season.
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20% of the grid is 4.6.

The original point I was making was that he, at 38 is fast enough to be in that 20%. And more often than not, that has held true.
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Rossi is using performance enhancing protocols more than ever before.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

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The irony is strong with this one.
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20% of the grid is 4.6.

The original point I was making was that he, at 38 is fast enough to be in that 20%. And more often than not, that has held true.
I disagree with some on here that his return to Yamaha was at the expense of better riders, particularly given his main competition for the ride at the time was reputedly Pol Espargaro.

As I think I have previously said to you, I and someone else you would regard as a Rossi "hater" in Povol actually warmed to him in 2014 when after seeming to be genuinely humbled by the Ducati adventure he said when Jorge and Dani were despairing at not having a look in for a title win with MM's dominance he was happy to be still racing and competitive towards the front of the field.

What is the point of what he is doing now exactly?.
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Have to admit that I am a hard bastard when it comes to supporting riders that aren't Aussies (small town syndrome and all), but Zarco is fast becoming the rider that is the 2nd favourite.

Haven't seen huge amounts but I like the style, the seeming aggression and attitude of 'I dont care who the fuck you are but I belong here as much as you'.

Good to see the brashness, now to see the racecraft.

If what I have seen so far is not hobbled in some way, he may become Tech3 first MotoGP race winner this season
Couldn't agree more. I find it so invigorating when at the start of the season a rider comes in with a hunger and desire to race and win and not be a journeyman that makes it to the top spot and then just circulates.

This is never more revealed than when a rider is prepared to stick it to Rossi and not be terrified of the persona or repurcussions of sleighting the 'big guy'.
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So in summary, you basically agree with my post that Marquez, Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Vinales are faster than Rossi.
Be specific with your question. Faster? In qualifying? Yes, although probably not Pedrosa.

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Two have won more titles than Rossi in the last 8 yrs, Pedrosa has won more races in that tie and in the time he has been on a top bike, Vinales has won more races. That puts them all above Rossi imo as of 2017.
Mate, you can't change your measuring stick depending on the rider you compare him to. In one sentence alone, you've switched from world championship counts in the last eight years against races won in the last eight years.
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