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November 16th, 2017, 08:37 AM   #41
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You cannot quantify that statement accurately though Synn. 80% of the grid have worse bikes than the Factory Yamaha. Put them all on factory M1's and with all due respect, I doubt Rossi would be in the top 20% of the grid.
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It is now widely acknowledged that the 2017 M1 is a flawed bike. The 80% estimate was given based on that.

The previous years, when it was a competent bike, he was runner up on multiple occasions.

If you exclude the bike from th equation and put them all on KTM rookies bikes or something, he will still be in the top 20%.
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Thats open to debate. Maybe in his prime. But I don't think so now.

Marquez
Pedrosa
Dovi
Lorenzo
Vinales
Zarco

Are all faster for sure. While you use the bad 2017 M1 as an excuse. Zarco has already gone faster on it in testing than Rossi (granted, it's early days) and Vinales won 3 races on it.
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Vinales did, but it could very well have been 2-2 if Le Mans turned out differently. They were both equally fast there. And towards the end of the year Rossi was mostly faster than Vinales.

Zarco did go faster on the 2017, but so did Vinales last year at the same time. The bike is too unpredictable to make something out of that yet. And that’s no slight of Zarco, he is awesome.
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Valid points. But I contend the Le Mans one. This gets my hackles up because every Rossi apologist uses it to try and even the score with Vinales. Fact is, Vinales won 3 races of Rossi's 1, including Le Mans where Rossi crashed trying to beat him.

IF Marquez' engine hadn't failed at Silverstone, he'd have wrapped the championship up in Sepang. But it did blow up so it went to a final round decider. What could have happened doesn't matter.
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Rossi was mostly faster towards the end of the year than Vinales because he got the tyre and the chassis he wanted despite what Vinales wanted. Just Sayin.
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It is now widely acknowledged that the 2017 M1 is a flawed bike. The 80% estimate was given based on that.

The previous years, when it was a competent bike, he was runner up on multiple occasions.

If you exclude the bike from th equation and put them all on KTM rookies bikes or something, he will still be in the top 20%.
Not according to Zarco it isn't, I expect its the dick on the 46 bike who is failing.
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Did Rossi eat your puppy, Teddy?
Sure sounds like it!
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If you exclude the bike from th equation and put them all on KTM rookies bikes or something, he will still be in the top 20%.
Whoops. You should do some calculations before you make assumptions.

Rossi race two years on a Factory Ducati and finished 7th and 6th. He didn't win anything and had three lousy podiums in two years. Seemed like a 9th, 10th, or worse to me. There were less than twenty riders most of both seasons.

The year before, Casey Stoner had nine podiums on the Ducati and three wins. Now if you had said Stoner or Marquez would still be in the top 20%, I might agree with the hypothesis. Rossi nope. The facts say otherwise.
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Thats open to debate. Maybe in his prime. But I don't think so now.

Marquez
Pedrosa
Dovi
Lorenzo
Vinales
Zarco

Are all faster for sure. While you use the bad 2017 M1 as an excuse. Zarco has already gone faster on it in testing than Rossi (granted, it's early days) and Vinales won 3 races on it.
Rossi has been consistently better than both Pedrosa and Dovi throughout his career (even if we limit the comparison to when Dovi was on a factory bike).

After Galbusera entered the fray, Rossi finished ahead of Lorenzo in 2 out of the next 3 years. Let's not forget that Rossi has finished second in every world championship since Galbusera has been his crew chief other than 2017 (when he broke his leg).

Like him or not, Marquez, Lorenzo, Rossi, Vinales and Pedrosa are the leading riders in the world. Dovi has clearly entered that fray too.

Zarco had a strong rookie year, and I suspect he will permanently become a fixture among the top riders.

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