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May 16th, 2017, 12:46 PM   #11
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May 16th, 2017, 02:50 PM   #12
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We are 4 races into the season, and Honda, Ducati, nor Yamaha have raced with replacement wing technology. Have they moved on? It's not even a topic of conversation except the occasional whine from Ducati about what might have been if they had them.
Honda has used the intake for downforce for awhile. Yamaha has ducting in the upper side fairing, and Ducati is trying to figure out what to do without losing their hp and top speed advantage, like JPSLotus said. And they can't make the bikes too hard to handle, like they were last year, or JLo might be screwed with his smoother style.

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Pov, you seem to have taken an odd and rather contradictory stand on the premise of independence, freethinking, nonconformist spirit of prototype innovation, given your supposed admiration for individualist self-reliance, anti-mandated constraints, and anti-redistribution of parity. I guess you're a socialist after all, eh buddy?
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I asked a question, does that mean to you that i have somehow altered my view. I was hoping someone had an answer but it came to me.

When Zarco is on the bike he most likely won’t have the 2017 aero-bodywork that could be crucial at Le Mans. The French track is wheelie city because its layout is dominated by slow corners followed by straights, so Zarco will spend the weekend fighting to keep the front wheel down, while factory riders Valentino Rossi and Maverick Viñales will have the latest anti-wheelie fairings with downforce vanes.

It makes you wonder what the other factories will have in the way of new aero at Le Mans. Aprilia, KTM, Suzuki and Yamaha have all used 2017 aero designs this season, unlike Ducati and Honda. Ducati never homologated the hammerhead fairing it tried during preseason testing but its engineers must surely know they will need something at Le Mans. Honda too.

According to Oxley, if we are going to see new aero panels, its going to be this weekend
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Honda has used the intake for downforce for awhile.
Do they really....How's that work then?
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I asked a question, does that mean to you that i have somehow altered my view. I was hoping someone had an answer but it came to me.

When Zarco is on the bike he most likely won’t have the 2017 aero-bodywork that could be crucial at Le Mans. The French track is wheelie city because its layout is dominated by slow corners followed by straights, so Zarco will spend the weekend fighting to keep the front wheel down, while factory riders Valentino Rossi and Maverick Viñales will have the latest anti-wheelie fairings with downforce vanes.

It makes you wonder what the other factories will have in the way of new aero at Le Mans. Aprilia, KTM, Suzuki and Yamaha have all used 2017 aero designs this season, unlike Ducati and Honda. Ducati never homologated the hammerhead fairing it tried during preseason testing but its engineers must surely know they will need something at Le Mans. Honda too.

According to Oxley, if we are going to see new aero panels, its going to be this weekend
I think Zarco will beat both of them again, after all he has 2 advantages, they are he isn't going to win the championship and its home soil.
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...he has 2 advantages...
1. Being french, just like michelin
2. Having that smart guy, Einstein, as his crew chief is no small feat either.
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1. Being french, just like michelin
2. Having that smart guy, Einstein, as his crew chief is no small feat either.
Is the top one another for the conspiracy theory?
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Do they really....How's that work then?
There is a flat spot in the front of the intake port. Notice how Honda has used different shapes for the entry. This was a reason that they were able to use smaller external wings for similar effects as the other bikes.

This was discussed last year. It is not in the obvious thread, but it was confirmed that Nakamoto said they did use the intake for downforce. And pictures of the different intakes will confirm the different shapes. I am pretty sure it was on this forum. (I might look for it again, later.)

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Is the top one another for the conspiracy theory?
But, of course, how come nobody had this ideea before amazes me
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There is a flat spot in the front of the intake port. Notice how Honda has used different shapes for the entry. This was a reason that they were able to use smaller external wings for similar effects as the other bikes.

This was discussed last year. It is not in the obvious thread, but it was confirmed that Nakamoto said they did use the intake for downforce. And pictures of the different intakes will confirm the different shapes. I am pretty sure it was on this forum. (I might look for it again, later.)
A flat spot in the intake = down force. Hmmmm.
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