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May 5th, 2017, 11:19 PM   #51
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Stoner gave his opinion, doesn't make him correct. Lap records don't continue to fall with mismatched front & rear tires. Perhaps the issue was on the GP16 Stoner was testing where the front and rear weren't properly matched. I don't hear Marquez, Rossi, Pedrosa, Crutchlow, or Vinales, claiming the front and rear tire profiles don't match. It's an in-active test rider with the least amount of time on the tires making that claim.
So they are not saying that, but nor are they saying the tyres are unproblematic, and several have said a front-end washout was inexplicable and not due to rider error.

So if a rider says something that disagrees with your armchair theorising you blithely dismiss it, and you can apparently judge the tyres from your observation post better than Casey Stoner who can still post a lap time at the front of the field, yet present what riders haven't actually said as evidence, particularly when as I said the current competitors have gag orders on them in regard to tyres anyway?
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So they are not saying that, but nor are they saying the tyres are unproblematic, and several have said a front-end washout was inexplicable and not due to rider error.

So if a rider says something that disagrees with your armchair theorising you blithely dismiss it, and you can apparently judge the tyres from your observation post better than Casey Stoner who can still post a lap time at the front of the field, yet present what riders haven't actually said as evidence, particularly when as I said the current competitors have gag orders on them in regard to tyres anyway?
The problems some riders have had isn't proof that the front and rear tire profiles do not match. Stoner didn't claim the profiles for the Bridgestones didn't match, yet many riders had crashes on them which that felt were inexplicable or claimed they didn't know the reason.

I didn't dismiss Stoner's claim, I just consider it his opinion... not a fact.

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Stoner gave his opinion, doesn't make him correct. Lap records don't continue to fall with mismatched front & rear tires. Perhaps the issue was on the GP16 Stoner was testing where the front and rear weren't properly matched. I don't hear Marquez, Rossi, Pedrosa, Crutchlow, or Vinales, claiming the front and rear tire profiles don't match. It's an in-active test rider with the least amount of time on the tires making that claim.
Said by Stoner and reported on Krops site 02/2016 - https://motomatters.com/analysis/201...st_your_q.html

The other example came at this test at Sepang. When asked about how the Michelin tires felt, he gave an explanation for why so many riders had crashed in the afternoon of that day. "There's a little point after probably 45°, that it goes down just a little bit more, that it doesn't seem to match with the rear with some of the profiles that we've tested. And that gives everybody a little bit a nervous feeling, and essentially why people are struggling into Turn 5, a big fast open corner, going in, when the bike goes light, it doesn't like that feeling, and it gets the bike a little nervous, and I think that's when the front wants to break away. Everybody has been having a very similar crash there." The crashes were happening either on the way into the corner, or on the way out, both points where the rider is transitioning across that sensitive area. Other riders will just tell you, "it was a strange crash."

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The problems some riders have had isn't proof that the front and rear tire profiles do not match. Stoner didn't claim the profiles for the Bridgestones didn't match, yet many riders had crashes on them which that felt were inexplicable or claimed they didn't know the reason.

I didn't dismiss Stoner's claim, I just consider it his opinion... not a fact.
The interesting point with Stoner's comment that was made early in 2016 was that it proved quite prophetic for the 2016 season and has been relatively accurate in some aspects this year.

Doesn't make him right by any means, but definitely food for thought

As for Bridgestone, CS was critical (hell, he was never a shrinking violet that toed the party line) and I do recall some critique of Bridgestone's tyre quality (including support to Rossi with regards to some of the problems he experienced with chunking not to mention the fact that he feels Rossi got a dud Michelin in 2006) but also to be fair, Bridgestone did have an awesome front so would hardly be worthy of criticism. In actual fact (opinion/), the sheer quality of the Bridgestone front may well be playing a heavy part in the issues experienced (although one would expect enough time to have passed) as rider memory may over rule recent experience.

Edit. Had forgotten the criticism of Bridgestone after the late change in early 2012 where both CS and DP were openly critical of the chatter caused by the tyre and weight changes

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We're my eyes deceiving me or did I see Lorenzo backing it in a little?
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Love to see Lorenzo in the top 5 now.

My guess is that this weekend/race does not go drama free.

MV for the win here
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Surprised to see Jorge up in 2nd.
Pleased to see Dani having a good FP.
Quali looks like it'll be a corker
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We're my eyes deceiving me or did I see Lorenzo backing it in a little?
Need to see the slowmo.

If the tyre is spinning up for the speed .... then yes. (Ala Stoner)

If its spinning less than it should be for the speed .... then its "kiddy skids" (ala arab.)


Ok ..... could be he is adjusting traction with the back wheel he may be trying to emulate how Stoner turned it.
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Love to see Lorenzo in the top 5 now.

My guess is that this weekend/race does not go drama free.

MV for the win here
Not saying he hasn't had form this year but that's a big call given he's had two or 3 top 5 pace laps this weekend.
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Looking more like Dani's weekend , every practice session at the top.
Lorenzo looking happy too, only a couple of tenths off on a bad track for Ducati.
Can't wait for qualifying.
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Not saying he hasn't had form this year but that's a big call given he's had two or 3 top 5 pace laps this weekend.
Picking him as a bit of an outsider, it would be a shock win if it happens.

Certainly stir things up I feel at the Yamaha camp
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