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May 6th, 2017, 02:00 PM   #91
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What exactly do you want a link for? Have you heard any active GP riders claiming the front and rear tire profiles don't match? You want a link for why it's foolish to accept what Stoner says as fact without any supporting evidence?
I couldn't take Stoner's verdict too seriously anyway, he's not racing, he rides a Ducati which handles much differently as well, so why take only one ex riders account as fact when no other current racers have mentioned front/rear mismatch.
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No, Stoner's opinion has not been largely validated. Casey Stoner does not know more about designing race tires than Michelin engineers. The front and rear profiles are exactly how Michelin wants them.
Fair enough, but he rides them and has found what he describes as a mismatch in terms of the front having an 'edge' to it that riders must accept and push through, but with the rear as grippy as they are it makes the transition a difficult one.

His response was actually to a specific question so for mine, quite a reasonable response and it was not so much critical of Michelin but outlining his opinion of why the front had been so troublesome at that Sepang test.

It is not for Michelin to follow what he says as it may well be their intent (as you suggest) that the tyres behave in a specific manner and thus how they or DORNA may want them, still does not invalidate the comment.


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I couldn't take Stoner's verdict too seriously anyway, he's not racing, he rides a Ducati which handles much differently as well, so why take only one ex riders account as fact when no other current racers have mentioned front/rear mismatch.
There were comments late 2016 reported but I cannot find them (I need to work on my google skills .......... I may seek forum help there) but they only came very late in the season and may well have been more 'forum chatter' than printed comments or perhaps even a commentator suggesting 'paddock rumours', but I do recall it being said/reported/printed (although not pushed in print, more a passing comment style).

Of course one does not have to take his comments seriously, but given the propensity of fronts in season 2016 he may well have been onto something (even though it was specific to the Sepang test).

For mine, to dismiss it is risky but I also accept that such is his unique style, to accept is or could be as risky

Just a question though, if it is not worth an ex-riders opinion, why have Michelin used Colin Edwards on a Yamaha as a test mule post retirement?
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No, Stoner's opinion has not been largely validated. Casey Stoner does not know more about designing race tires than Michelin engineers. The front and rear profiles are exactly how Michelin wants them. The riders shouldn't have thought they could ride Michelins exactly the same way as Bridgestones. There wouldn't be much point in switching tire manufacturers if the new manufacturer was forced to give their tires the same characteristics as the previous manufacturer. If the Michelin front doesn't have as much grip as the Bridgestone front, that's GREAT! That's the beautiful part about it, the riders have to adapt their styles to a different tire. It's like hopping out of a Porsche and into a Ferrari then complaining the Ferrari is defective because it doesn't drive exactly like the Porsche.

You should always be wary of the opinion from anyone. Einstein wasn't even always right and Stoner definitely isn't always right.
He has been right quite often though, including about a certain tyre in 2012, while those of your ilk have a record of being wrong about him in regard to almost everything while he was actually racing.

On balance, I think I will still go with his opinion over yours, particularly since he has ridden the tyre and you haven't. I think I would take my chances with Einstein over you in regard to a physics matter as well.

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What exactly do you want a link for? Have you heard any active GP riders claiming the front and rear tire profiles don't match? You want a link for why it's foolish to accept what Stoner says as fact without any supporting evidence?
You said a lot of riders aren't echoing Stoner's opinion. The implication being they think otherwise - so provide evidence to back this up. Simple.

When are you going to learn that the absence of evidence is not evidence of anything? Once you learn this, you'll have taken the first baby step
towards realizing just exactly what critical thinking is; rather than just throwing around Wiki-Dictionary terms you don't really comprehend to
divert from the topic at hand.


You have stated that your opinion is more authoritative than that of actual racers and team managers - and now you want us to believe
it's more definitive than that of one of the greatest riders in the history of the sport? Pray tell... how come Ducati hired a loser like Stoner
to do testing when they could have got a genius like you?

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I couldn't take Stoner's verdict too seriously anyway, he's not racing, he rides a Ducati which handles much differently as well, so why take only one ex riders account as fact when no other current racers have mentioned front/rear mismatch.
No other riders? How do you know?

Perhaps we should listen to pundits instead then?

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Did anyone hear JT at the weekend? He said there's a profile problem between front and rear tyres and that could be leading to front end washout's.
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I like how Dani and MV are dismissing Stoners view point when those actually involved say that Stoner has unbelievable abilities when it comes to feel on the bike. When Stoner tested the Honda once he found Hondas problem straight away as told to the media by Marquez who said that Stoner recognised the problem with the bike but he can't develop a bike by riding it once.

All riders are effectively on a gag order when it comes to tyres. Even in the latest press conference the sensitivity and small operational range of the tyres were mentioned again though so they're clearly not that happy with the tyres.

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MotoGP News - MotoGP Spain: Pedrosa: I looked at Marc and accepted his challenge

How about Dani boy talking smack, for him anyway.
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A new one - Cal supposedly stung by an insect on the slow down lap - https://twitter.com/crash_motogp/sta...40621707329537
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A new one - Cal supposedly stung by an insect on the slow down lap - https://twitter.com/crash_motogp/sta...40621707329537
spanish fly?
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A new one - Cal supposedly stung by an insect on the slow down lap - https://twitter.com/crash_motogp/sta...40621707329537
He was - there was onboard footage of him as it flew into his leathers and then pulling over trackside. Subsequently in Parc Ferme he wrestled them half off to try and get the stinger out. The wasp that is.
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