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April 28th, 2017, 04:07 AM   #461
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Yeah, couldn't cope, must be this cognitive dissonance I've been expertly diagnosed with by the forum psychiatrist.
Or it could be that I asked duc to change it a couple of weeks ago


You clearly don't have cognitive dissonance, being obviously untroubled by a world view divorced from reality ie that the problem with modern MotoGP is disrespect for Valentino Rossi rather than for his competitors, including the 2 still current riders who have won 6 world titles between them since Valentino last won a title
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Hmm I kind of thought they were like nipples. Thanks for the lesson in marsupials.
Nah mate.

Nipples are like an anti-penis.

When cold, a penis shrinks and tries to hide but not nipples, they stand upright and shout 'come at be bro'.
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I have to say I regard MV as a true believer rather than a troll.

Getting upset about the disregard a significant number of posters on here have for Valentino Rossi and are very happy to explain is imo possibly more unreasonable than trolling however, given the most significant reason for this disregard is the attitude to/disregard of nearly all his opponents in the wider world, and in particular the double standards both in regard to Valentino's own behaviour and treatment by officialdom and the ownership/management of the sport and how Valentino himself and his extreme fans treat other riders.
Agree that MV actually watches races. Which is like saying, Pat Robertson goes to church. Robertson has always been more concerned with proselytizing than sharing with others the values and teachings of certain saintly Jewish guy from Nazareth.

It's one thing for a person to be blind to Rossi's faults. It's another however - to have them whine and whine and whine when others don't agree with them - and worse still to listen to more whining in the form of: You're all haters.

The end result of this being, the Vale-evangelists interrupt and hijack discussions solely for the purpose of juvenile revenge on those who reject their beliefs.

This forum has always had a few dozen members, able to get along and discuss and debate each other without hostility and divisive tactics that split the forum into warring factions ... and always there's a tiny minority of two or three who provoke and prank the rest, who otherwise get along and have no desire to be engaged in a constant siege state.

It's all such petty shit and nobody really needs it. I for one do not savor the pissing matches. Honestly - but for one person here who is hopelessly unhinged - there probably isn't a single person here I wouldn't shake hands with and have a beer. People have got get over the idea that anyone "wins" on the internet; and the idea that there's any alpha males here. Powerslide is a great place for fellowship and shooting the shit - and it just turns to crap with all the sniping. Newbs need to check out the get-together threads here. Jum and Rog were bitter enemies and became best friends. Another member who always seemed to have a problem (mostly because of Stoner support) with me - became a good friend when we actually met and hung out at LS. Had the time of my life hanging with Mick in Thailand. And no more bitch fests with JPS. This is for me what the forum is about. Hanging on to petty resentments is huge waste.
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There's posters here that try to hide their hatred for Rossi in criticism. I simply call it out when I see it.

For example, take the latest incident with Rossi and Zarco. The anti-Rossi crowd has taken issue with Rossi cutting the corner. Is is really Rossi's act of cutting the corner they have an issue with or are they simply looking for another reason to justify their hate? To answer that question, swap the position of the riders. Lets say Rossi was attempting to overtake Zarco, he arrived late at the apex and forced Zarco to stand his bike up and cut the corner. In that scenario, the same individuals who are claiming they have an issue with Rossi cutting the track, would instead be blasting Rossi for his dangerous overtaking maneuver and calling for him to be severely punished for endangering another rider. See it's not what Rossi did that they truly have a problem with, it's just Rossi.
Mate, if we were having a conversation about Valentino Rossi 15 years ago in the spring of 2002, this would have been a vastly different conversation at the time. I genuinely liked the guy back then. He became an insufferable piece of shit over the years due to an overwhelming sense of self-entitlement and tacit approval and backing from Dorna. The complaints some of us have are quite valid about him and the negative impact he has had on the actual sport, not the commercial side of things. Why this bothers you so much is interesting. I don't go to pro-Rossi MotoGP forums and do what you do here, there. I don't care enough to waste my time like that.

As Michael already mentioned you're a true believer as far as Rossi goes. You will never see what a bunch of us see and this is absolutely fine. I criticized Marquez heavily before he calmed his riding down. If that changes I will be vocal about it. I remain quite vocal to this day about Simoncelli for the same reasons I'm vocal about a number of Rossi's on-track antics. Motorcycle racing is not, and has never been a combat sport, hence my objections to what Rossi has done over the years by normalizing certain tactics/maneuvers and having all of it rationalized by his cult fanbase.

The Zarco incident was more of the same shit from him complete with his post-race bullshit trying to dress Zarco down.

So you don't like what we post or have to say about him. Ignore it and move on.
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I wholeheartedly agree with above post. Real sportsmen do not act like Rossi. For instance, have you ever heard Federer reciting: Nadal is a moaner! Moaner! And all Federer fans after him: Nadal is a moaner!
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There's posters here that try to hide their hatred for Rossi in criticism. I simply call it out when I see it.
No Vudu, the problem appears to be that you construe any criticism of Valentino Rossi as 'hating'. As if the bias and attempted proselytisation by the media (which you seem to have no objection to) isn't bad enough, like any extremist doctrine, it's blind followers can't abide dissenters, non-believers and secularism.

Purely out of interest, do you regard the following blogs as "hating"?

Doctored ? MotoGP?s Obsession with Valentino Rossi | Trunk Talk

Doctored: MotoGP?s Obsession with Valentino Rossi ? Part 2 | Trunk Talk

To clarify, personally I too don't buy into the Rossi hagiography but it doesn't follow that my iconoclasm, scepticism or even cynicism towards much of the mythology built around him makes me a "hater".

Heresy, but, I don't regard him as "The Greatest of All Time" by a long shot -
this GOAT nonsense seems to be an uncritically accepted mantra by his followers many of which are utterly oblivious to the history of the sport and so incapable of contextualising his achievements. There are many reasons for why I think this, just as there are in respect of '15 times' Giacomo Agostini. I don't believe that he has the ability to compete for a title given even moderately disadvantaged machinery or support and I don't think he responds to pressure from his rivals either constructively or productively. (If you wish to discuss 2004 and the move to Yamaha in association with this, I would be only to happy to do so). In spite of this, I do think that he has consistently benefitted from substantial comparative advantage for much of his career without which he wouldn't have been so successful. Saying that, could you have transplanted any rider into his place, availed with the same support and they would have achieved the same? of course not - but there are one or two that may have exceeded it.

I do admit to loathing his largely moronic glory hunting fan base and find the mobilisation and manipulation of this fanaticism on behalf of Rossi himself utterly reprehensible. I find his public persona fake and often disingenuous - peeling away the tacky yellow veneer over the last twenty years has on occasions revealed a duplicity and a disturbing lack of dignity which for me is not the hallmark of the 'greatest of all time'.

When the clown mask slips, mind games aside, it's often unpleasant as 2015 was testament to. I've pointed out innumerable times that if Stoner, Lorenzo or Márquez had behaved like Rossi did in October and November of that year the reaction would have been a level of fanatical outrage that may have even threatened their future racing careers. You speak of hatred, revisit the irrational extreme posts on here from that period from the hordes of yellow minions that deluged this forum and then imagine what it would have been like had things been the other way around during the run up and in the race at Sepang. Then go back on this forum to 2007 during Stoner's Championship year and the immediate aftermath. That's genuine hatred.

This is simply my opinion. I don't hate Valentino Rossi, as I've said before, how could I? I don't actually know the guy personally. Racing is ruthless - and the racetrack, both on and off rarely brings out the best in its competitors. I appreciate that. I also understand, that views need to be balanced and challenged, so a brief anecdote.

At a race meeting last year, can't remember where, may have been Le Mans, John McPhee wanted advice in respect of a certain parts of the circuit. He approached Valentino on the Thursday who promised to arrange a lap of the circuit one evening.Throughout the weekend and with raceday approaching he heard nothing and believing that he's been fobbed off forgot all about it - doubtless chastising himself for being so cheeky. Then on Saturday evening he got a text inviting him to Vale's motorhome. They lapped the circuit on scooters, he then dedicated his time to discuss set up with John in his garage.

There is no simple dichotomy between good and bad. As human beings, we all have our virtues and similarly our foibles and character defects. I find this tedious narrative that portrays Valentino as the hero and any opposition as the 'pretender to his throne' or an arch villain; or this resentment by his acolytes at the very suggestion of someone having the audacity to actually race him pathetic. How dare they? It's as though these people want it to be 2002 all over again and are only happy to see Rossi effortlessly disappear into the distance and win races by a country mile.

On the other hand, that McPhee story to me demonstrates that like all of us there are many sides to Valentino Rossi and any hatred of the guy is not only irrational but, yeah just as tedious as the adoration.

The cause célèbre surrounding Sepang I would say crystalised years of schism between the believers and non-believers. But the history of division runs deep, long before posters such as yourself Vudu.

I find this hilarious...

"There's posters here that try to hide their hatred for Rossi in criticism. I simply call it out when I see it."

So like some forum Matthew Hopkins, or Tavulian Torqueamada you have appointed yourself as some grand inquisitor to punish and expose the heretics and apostates, the 'Charlie Hebdo' late of Powerslide, that dares to mock your beliefs? I find this cult of personality surrounding Rossi as hilarious as I find it tragic. Without being able to fling them in the village pond to see if they float, how does Moto Vudu deem that someone is a 'hater'? What divine authority is imbued in you? Do you thrust a copy of 'What if I'd Never Tried it' into the clutches of your family members and insist that they take an oath of allegiance?

Seriously though mate, your obvious sensitivities aside, I find your comments richly ironic coming after your COTA pre race diatribe against Márquez. You appeared to derive pleasure from him crashing out in Argentina and the prospect of him doing the same in Austin as some cause for celebration. When you're not preoccupied with blowing yellow smoke up Valentino's arse you are one of this forums main Marc Márquez detractors - which by your definition would constitute 'hating'. I concede, you did give him credit for winning the race, but surely you'd sooner see your hero, or your Viñales contingency /insurance policy beat the man on the road? Tell me you'd rather see Lorenzo competitive again and fighting for wins. The irritating thing about Casey's 2011 title for me was the fact that Valentino wasn't in a position to challenge him

As I've said before, I don't care who wins so long as it's a close race to the title. And if Valentino gets his tenth? fine, like most glory hunters in sport - that's what people support him for so it will finally make them very happy. Pretty meaningless to me, because of years like 2002 and 2003 and the true legends of this sport that preceded him. Irrespective of who wins the title, I just want close racing and the more riders at the sharp end, the better. I just don't get this slavish fanboyism or tribalism - even if it is fraught by disparities and inequities, can't we just appreciate the racing?

It's been said before - so many Valentino fans are only here because of the cult of personality as opposed to being fans of the sport. It's almost as though the racing is at best secondary... an intrusion - an inconvenience.
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There's posters here that try to hide their hatred for Rossi in criticism. I simply call it out when I see it.

For example, take the latest incident with Rossi and Zarco. The anti-Rossi crowd has taken issue with Rossi cutting the corner. Is is really Rossi's act of cutting the corner they have an issue with or are they simply looking for another reason to justify their hate? To answer that question, swap the position of the riders. Lets say Rossi was attempting to overtake Zarco, he arrived late at the apex and forced Zarco to stand his bike up and cut the corner. In that scenario, the same individuals who are claiming they have an issue with Rossi cutting the track, would instead be blasting Rossi for his dangerous overtaking maneuver and calling for him to be severely punished for endangering another rider. See it's not what Rossi did that they truly have a problem with, it's just Rossi.
You would really enjoy this forum a lot more if you could stop taking it personal - when people don't like Rossi, which seems to be the reason you get into such a snit. I think those who don't like him are pretty up front about it. And... I reckon, those who state that they're neutral or better can be taken at their word.

I'm an atheist - but I don't begrudge people who think the Dead Sea Pedestrian is their Lord And Savior. Each to his own. Whatever floats your boat.

As to whether people have legit reasons for not liking Rossi... why don't you offer some insight into why exactly you think this is so - as you reject out of hand, what 95% of the forum members state as real reasons for their dislike of him.

And while you're at it; ask yourself, what exactly do you hope to accomplish by preaching The Gospel According To Uccio to a crowd of non-believers. Do you really get that much satisfaction from haranguing us poor heathens? Do you believe you're going to convert anyone to your way of thinking? Let it go. One of your fellow Texans, Curve, used to be a regular and he was a HUGE Rossi fan, and supporter and he never felt threatened by folks not liking Rossi, or once ever got pissy or insulted anyone (except Stoner) and he was like family here. Nobody ever "hated on him" because he liked Rossi and he never took it personal when we took the piss with Rossi. Curve, one of the most legendary, well liked guys ever on PS is living proof that folks can dislike Rossi - without hatin' on his fans.
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Did ya'll see Rossi stick his hand up the asshole of that guy? It's totally on video. Nasty cunt!


























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https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/video/ch...032339424.html

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No Vudu, the problem appears to be that you construe any criticism of Valentino Rossi as 'hating'. As if the bias and attempted proselytisation by the media (which you seem to have no objection to) isn't bad enough, like any extremist doctrine, it's blind followers can't abide dissenters, non-believers and secularism.

Purely out of interest, do you regard the following blogs as "hating"?

Doctored ? MotoGP?s Obsession with Valentino Rossi | Trunk Talk

Doctored: MotoGP?s Obsession with Valentino Rossi ? Part 2 | Trunk Talk

To clarify, personally I too don't buy into the Rossi hagiography but it doesn't follow that my iconoclasm, scepticism or even cynicism towards much of the mythology built around him makes me a "hater".

Heresy, but, I don't regard him as "The Greatest of All Time" by a long shot -
this GOAT nonsense seems to be an uncritically accepted mantra by his followers many of which are utterly oblivious to the history of the sport and so incapable of contextualising his achievements. There are many reasons for why I think this, just as there are in respect of '15 times' Giacomo Agostini. I don't believe that he has the ability to compete for a title given even moderately disadvantaged machinery or support and I don't think he responds to pressure from his rivals either constructively or productively. (If you wish to discuss 2004 and the move to Yamaha in association with this, I would be only to happy to do so). In spite of this, I do think that he has consistently benefitted from substantial comparative advantage for much of his career without which he wouldn't have been so successful. Saying that, could you have transplanted any rider into his place, availed with the same support and they would have achieved the same? of course not - but there are one or two that may have exceeded it.

I do admit to loathing his largely moronic glory hunting fan base and find the mobilisation and manipulation of this fanaticism on behalf of Rossi himself utterly reprehensible. I find his public persona fake and often disingenuous - peeling away the tacky yellow veneer over the last twenty years has on occasions revealed a duplicity and a disturbing lack of dignity which for me is not the hallmark of the 'greatest of all time'.

When the clown mask slips, mind games aside, it's often unpleasant as 2015 was testament to. I've pointed out innumerable times that if Stoner, Lorenzo or Márquez had behaved like Rossi did in October and November of that year the reaction would have been a level of fanatical outrage that may have even threatened their future racing careers. You speak of hatred, revisit the irrational extreme posts on here from that period from the hordes of yellow minions that deluged this forum and then imagine what it would have been like had things been the other way around during the run up and in the race at Sepang. Then go back on this forum to 2007 during Stoner's Championship year and the immediate aftermath. That's genuine hatred.

This is simply my opinion. I don't hate Valentino Rossi, as I've said before, how could I? I don't actually know the guy personally. Racing is ruthless - and the racetrack, both on and off rarely brings out the best in its competitors. I appreciate that. I also understand, that views need to be balanced and challenged, so a brief anecdote.

At a race meeting last year, can't remember where, may have been Le Mans, John McPhee wanted advice in respect of a certain parts of the circuit. He approached Valentino on the Thursday who promised to arrange a lap of the circuit one evening.Throughout the weekend and with raceday approaching he heard nothing and believing that he's been fobbed off forgot all about it - doubtless chastising himself for being so cheeky. Then on Saturday evening he got a text inviting him to Vale's motorhome. They lapped the circuit on scooters, he then dedicated his time to discuss set up with John in his garage.

There is no simple dichotomy between good and bad. As human beings, we all have our virtues and similarly our foibles and character defects. I find this tedious narrative that portrays Valentino as the hero and any opposition as the 'pretender to his throne' or an arch villain; or this resentment by his acolytes at the very suggestion of someone having the audacity to actually race him pathetic. How dare they? It's as though these people want it to be 2002 all over again and are only happy to see Rossi effortlessly disappear into the distance and win races by a country mile.

On the other hand, that McPhee story to me demonstrates that like all of us there are many sides to Valentino Rossi and any hatred of the guy is not only irrational but, yeah just as tedious as the adoration.

The cause célèbre surrounding Sepang I would say crystalised years of schism between the believers and non-believers. But the history of division runs deep, long before posters such as yourself Vudu.

I find this hilarious...

"There's posters here that try to hide their hatred for Rossi in criticism. I simply call it out when I see it."

So like some forum Matthew Hopkins, or Tavulian Torqueamada you have appointed yourself as some grand inquisitor to punish and expose the heretics and apostates, the 'Charlie Hebdo' late of Powerslide, that dares to mock your beliefs? I find this cult of personality surrounding Rossi as hilarious as I find it tragic. Without being able to fling them in the village pond to see if they float, how does Moto Vudu deem that someone is a 'hater'? What divine authority is imbued in you? Do you thrust a copy of 'What if I'd Never Tried it' into the clutches of your family members and insist that they take an oath of allegiance?

Seriously though mate, your obvious sensitivities aside, I find your comments richly ironic coming after your COTA pre race diatribe against Márquez. You appeared to derive pleasure from him crashing out in Argentina and the prospect of him doing the same in Austin as some cause for celebration. When you're not preoccupied with blowing yellow smoke up Valentino's arse you are one of this forums main Marc Márquez detractors - which by your definition would constitute 'hating'. I concede, you did give him credit for winning the race, but surely you'd sooner see your hero, or your Viñales contingency /insurance policy beat the man on the road? Tell me you'd rather see Lorenzo competitive again and fighting for wins. The irritating thing about Casey's 2011 title for me was the fact that Valentino wasn't in a position to challenge him

As I've said before, I don't care who wins so long as it's a close race to the title. And if Valentino gets his tenth? fine, like most glory hunters in sport - that's what people support him for so it will finally make them very happy. Pretty meaningless to me, because of years like 2002 and 2003 and the true legends of this sport that preceded him. Irrespective of who wins the title, I just want close racing and the more riders at the sharp end, the better. I just don't get this slavish fanboyism or tribalism - even if it is fraught by disparities and inequities, can't we just appreciate the racing?

It's been said before - so many Valentino fans are only here because of the cult of personality as opposed to being fans of the sport. It's almost as though the racing is at best secondary... an intrusion - an inconvenience.
You're debating with yourself.

- I wasn't participating in any discussion about who is the GOAT.

- I wasn't discussing which rider has the best or worst machinery.

- I said nothing about Rossi's fan base.

- I'm free to call out someone on their posts. I don't need permission to do so nor do I need to feel as though I have divine authority. It's called an internet discussion forum. Posters are supposed to give their opinions.

- You have an inaccurate view of what I'm sensitive about, I've rarely (if ever) felt any negative emotion over anything posted here. This is purely a site for entertainment and I treat it as such.

It's great that you posted your thoughts on Valentino, but I don't know why you quoted or addressed me. All I said it that I call out those that attempt to mask their hatred as criticism. It's easy to spot the difference.

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Mate, if we were having a conversation about Valentino Rossi 15 years ago in the spring of 2002, this would have been a vastly different conversation at the time. I genuinely liked the guy back then. He became an insufferable piece of shit over the years due to an overwhelming sense of self-entitlement and tacit approval and backing from Dorna. The complaints some of us have are quite valid about him and the negative impact he has had on the actual sport, not the commercial side of things. Why this bothers you so much is interesting. I don't go to pro-Rossi MotoGP forums and do what you do here, there. I don't care enough to waste my time like that.

As Michael already mentioned you're a true believer as far as Rossi goes. You will never see what a bunch of us see and this is absolutely fine. I criticized Marquez heavily before he calmed his riding down. If that changes I will be vocal about it. I remain quite vocal to this day about Simoncelli for the same reasons I'm vocal about a number of Rossi's on-track antics. Motorcycle racing is not, and has never been a combat sport, hence my objections to what Rossi has done over the years by normalizing certain tactics/maneuvers and having all of it rationalized by his cult fanbase.

The Zarco incident was more of the same shit from him complete with his post-race bullshit trying to dress Zarco down.

So you don't like what we post or have to say about him. Ignore it and move on.
You have a right to have a negative opinion of Rossi, just like someone else has a right to have a positive opinion of him. Your negative opinion isn't more valid than the opinion of a Rossi fan.

If you don't like what others have to say about Rossi when it doesn't match your anti-Rossi opinion, then take your own advice and ignore it and move on. You have a long history of launching personal attacks at anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions.

You seem to care a great deal about how you're perceived on this forum. You want to be thought of as a long-time race fan who's the local subject matter expert. You have very little tolerance for anyone who doesn't view you as such. You've also shown major mental weakness by reporting insults to Duc, so you've apparently reached your breaking point so I'll back off. We don't need you hurting yourself over some internet banter.
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