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April 5th, 2017, 06:02 AM   #51
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Long winded and lacking knowledge of what really matters.
EU needs not to lose their second biggest contributor and trading partner. For that reason everything blurted out by Juncker and co is just hot air. Same as Sturgeon, so out of touch with what the public wants it's unreal.
So you basically admit you have a problem dealing with other people then?
If Theresa May is unable to get any ideal done with the EU to preserve single market access, the UK is going to have to trade by WTO rules which is going to result in much higher tariffs on their goods. You mistakenly think like the rest of the Brexiteers that the UK has a position of strength in the negotiations - they don't. The country doesn't have the British Empire anymore...it was dismantled and with that came a tremendous loss of power, that if they still had it, would make this a far different proposition altogether.

The Scottish public does want out of the UK now. The referendum failed originally in 2014 because of the concerns of losing EU membership (and the subsequent impacts on various sectors of the country) if they voted for independence. Now that you lot have basically fucked them over, they don't want to be a part of your bullshit, and understandably so. The UK benefited tremendously from the EU membership...in fact better than the bulk of the Euro Zone countries in spite of all the subterfuge from that Brexiteers that the UK wasn't getting their fair share.

I will grant you absolutely that the EU is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but the UK was more often than benefiting from the entire thing. Unless you have some true concrete and tangible alternative to EU membership that will maintain the overall level of economic growth, you do not vote to leave that sort of partnership. That's short-sighted thinking that feels great while things are still rolling along, but now that the rubberband is coming back, it's not going to be so fun for everyone. That's the general trouble with populist voting sentiments. They aren't grounded in anything other than the feel-good immediacy that quickly flees the building once reality sets in. Trump voters are starting to realize it, though not all of them as plenty are ignorant shitheads. But the ones I know with a semblance of self-awareness have been walking back their vote for Trump and trying to rationalize it with the eternally vapid excuse of, "I didn't think it would be like this." Are you fucking kidding me?

And really what is your preoccupation with how well I do or do not get along with people?
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British pound has lost 16% of it's value. Is that short and concise enough for you? Is that what "the public" wants?

I love that you twist his working at home into "admitting he has a problem dealing with people". Zillions of people work at home for a multitude of just plain practical reasons like not having to be under the thumb of a supervisor, not being subjected to office politics, freedom to make one's own hours, saving on operating costs involved in commercial rentals etc. I closed my store in Manhattan a year and a half ago and moved my business up to my house. Saves me $45,000.00 a year in expenses; best thing I ever did. I love working at home. I make my own hours, see customers by appointment only, eat home cooked meals instead of overpriced take-out, got my dogs here hanging out in the workshop and can go out and sit in my garden to chill out whenever things get too hectic, or just pull my DRZ out of the garage and go for a spin on back country roads to clear my head out; and I don't have to deal with commuting in the city. Working at home... love it.
Brilliant how you put a negative spin on something that is quite positive for exports and inward investments. Never mind, back to studying, see if you can find something else.
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Or in this particular posters case, still is clinging to the myth that the Brexit will somehow bring back a Britain that never existed, but stands to bring back a Britain filled with malaise and economic woes due to not having any fundamental understanding of what they voted for.
Without changing the thread entirely, that isn't strictly true. Yes, there are people who voted Brexit for what some consider the wrong reasons (Mainly immigration) but anyone who hasn't lived in the UK can not really comment on that. For example, I've had people in the US, when asking me my thoughts on it, saying "Yeah we have a big Mexican immigration issue too, its just as bad". Well with all due respect, it isn't. The UK is far smaller than the US and people from an entire continent are allowed to move there. That's like all of South American being able to move to Texas. The system is getting overloaded in that aspect and it cannot cope. Healthcare is such that there are people I know personally who are bedridden awaiting new hips for example, having to wait 3-4 years. A lot (though not all) of this is due to the extreme pressure on the NHS due to immigration and healthcare tourism.

Americans especially, go ape if anything is proposed that infringes on their rights or god forbid, the constitution. Now imagine being able to be regulated by and told what to do by Canada and Mexico and having to do it. That's what a lot of people's grievance with the EU was. The UK was barred from making certain trade deals with members of the commonwealth for example.

Scotland are arseholes. When they had a referendum before they wanted to leave "but keep the pound". You can't pick and choose. If you want to leave, you leave and make your new bed/currency.

Brexit isn't forever, I'm sure the UK could rejoin the EU if it wanted but the fact is Britain was strong before joining the EU and can be strong again (keeping the pound is an example of that). It makes me proud that when Obama said that we'd be at the back of the queue for trade deals if we left, we said "Fuck You" and left anyway.
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Brilliant how you put a negative spin on something that is quite positive for exports and inward investments. Never mind, back to studying, see if you can find something else.
You conflate a badly devalued British Pound as a positive thing?
And by the by... have you ever looked at the balance of import
and export?

British Pound is at its lowest value since 1986. Good for people who want to buy from the UK - not so great for the average citizen who loses buying power.

Growth rate has declined for the last three periods. Inflation is actually too low, average incomes are barely up to pre-crisis levels and there is a persistent problem of weak improvements in productivity. Put a positive spin on that why don't you?

See that is the difference between you and some others here. I look at developments here in the US since the new administration came in and recognize the challenges and concede the negative impact all around, while you double down by sticking your head in the sand whilst singing Rule Britannia.

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Without changing the thread entirely, that isn't strictly true. Yes, there are people who voted Brexit for what some consider the wrong reasons (Mainly immigration) but anyone who hasn't lived in the UK can not really comment on that. For example, I've had people in the US, when asking me my thoughts on it, saying "Yeah we have a big Mexican immigration issue too, its just as bad". Well with all due respect, it isn't. The UK is far smaller than the US and people from an entire continent are allowed to move there. That's like all of South American being able to move to Texas. The system is getting overloaded in that aspect and it cannot cope. Healthcare is such that there are people I know personally who are bedridden awaiting new hips for example, having to wait 3-4 years. A lot (though not all) of this is due to the extreme pressure on the NHS due to immigration and healthcare tourism.

Americans especially, go ape if anything is proposed that infringes on their rights or god forbid, the constitution. Now imagine being able to be regulated by and told what to do by Canada and Mexico and having to do it. That's what a lot of people's grievance with the EU was. The UK was barred from making certain trade deals with members of the commonwealth for example.

Scotland are arseholes. When they had a referendum before they wanted to leave "but keep the pound". You can't pick and choose. If you want to leave, you leave and make your new bed/currency.

Brexit isn't forever, I'm sure the UK could rejoin the EU if it wanted but the fact is Britain was strong before joining the EU and can be strong again (keeping the pound is an example of that). It makes me proud that when Obama said that we'd be at the back of the queue for trade deals if we left, we said "Fuck You" and left anyway.

Americans who say that are arseholes. Mexicans do so much for the economy - its ridiculous.

I totally get the business about overloading the healthcare system. I take no satisfaction in anybody suffering due to inadequate healthcare. This whole departure from the thread arose not out of any negative sentiment towards Britain. I'd made a comparison to the blind denial on the part of Tea Party lunatics and the yellow-lensed fringe element Rossi fans.
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You conflate a badly devalued British Pound as a positive thing?
And by the by... have you ever looked at the balance of import
and export?

British Pound is at its lowest value since 1986. Good for people who want to buy from the UK - not so great for the average citizen who loses buying power.

Growth rate has declined for the last three periods. Inflation is actually too low, average incomes are barely up to pre-crisis levels and there is a persistent problem of weak improvements in productivity. Put a positive spin on that why don't you?

See that is the difference between you and some others here. I look at developments here in the US since the new administration came in and recognize the challenges and concede the negative impact all around, while you double down by sticking your head in the sand whilst singing Rule Britannia.
UK growth forecasts are better than expected and our economy is strong enough to cope if times get tough.
When Britain is free from EU shackles it will have a dynamic free moving economy, that will be greatly improved from current conditions. How long has the EU negotiated a trade deal with the US for ? We can buy what we want from where we want at a price that's fair to both parties. You really don't understand the situation here.
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Americans who say that are arseholes. Mexicans do so much for the economy - its ridiculous.

I totally get the business about overloading the healthcare system. I take no satisfaction in anybody suffering due to inadequate healthcare. This whole departure from the thread arose not out of any negative sentiment towards Britain. I'd made a comparison to the blind denial on the part of Tea Party lunatics and the yellow-lensed fringe element Rossi fans.
So did slaves, did you want to keep that system as well?
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So did slaves, did you want to keep that system as well?
Congratulations! I thought you couldn't possibly top the other stupid shit you've tried to troll me with - but you've outdone yourself son. Take a bow.

Your transparent attempt to troll me isn't worth any further discussion. Try someone else. Not interested. You think you can suck me in with idiocy - because you suffer from delusions of adequacy.
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Congratulations! I thought you couldn't possibly top the other stupid shit you've tried to troll me with - but you've outdone yourself son. Take a bow.

Your transparent attempt to troll me isn't worth any further discussion. Try someone else. Not interested. You think you can suck me in with idiocy - because you suffer from delusions of adequacy.
Illegal immigration provides Corporate America with new slaves. The only labor that's currently cheaper is prison labor.
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Illegal immigration provides Corporate America with new slaves. The only labor that's currently cheaper is prison labor.
Only on one condition will I engage you on this topic. You have to post a photograph of yourself holding today's newspaper proving A. You are the "person" who contends to be initiating this topic. and B. You are neither a Russian trolling program designed to give a lifelike impression of working intellect that could pass the Turing test, nor a naughty 10 year-old playing with Mommy's ipad. I say this because the possibility that anyone above the age of 12 could continually conceive such anti-cogent expostulations would seem to point to a sad and catastrophic failure of the child endangerment laws enacted to limit our nation's youth to lead poisoning.
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