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April 4th, 2017, 06:02 PM   #41
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2017 could provide even more coincidences. None of these coincidences ever seem to hurt Rossi, while things have happened to hurt all of his rivals since '07.
I think that is the bottom line.

Since 2007, Rossi always gets his tyres, the same can't be said for others, and in some cases they straight out had their preferred tyres taken away, as with Garry McCoy before 2007 (likely unrelated to Rossi), Casey Stoner twice as well as Ducati, Suzuki and Kawasaki with the advent of the control tyre. Lorenzo is more arguable, given there were safety concerns last year; coincidentally or not his preferred tyre has also become unavailable on occasion, but Bridgestone also it would appear did produce a version of the control tyre which mainly suited him by design at one stage. The initial tyre which so suited him which became available in 2012 was probably not specifically designed for him imo, implying a coincidence the other way. I am less convinced about tyres being made to suit Rossi than I am about tyres being removed from other riders; the 2012 tyre decision/vote I am sure was not really to help Rossi, and had motives other than hindering Stoner as well, but I believe the latter was at least a welcome side benefit for Dorna or they would have just added that tyre without subtracting the other tyre.

Pre- 2007 is a lot more arguable, given the abolition of the SNS tyres was detrimental to Rossi although I don't think this was foreseen by him or anyone else, and he was an inheritor of the Michelin tiered tyre supply system including the SNS tyres, with that system certainly not devised for him. We have reasonable evidence that the SNS tyres usually did suit him although I recall some murmurings from his side of things in 2006 that Michelin were starting to favour HRC over him, and we only really have the Tony Elias one-off thing as evidence the SNS tyres didn't suit other top riders. Certainly Colin Edwards said that tyres for team Yamaha were made to suit Valentino rather than him, but I doubt pleasing/suiting Colin was much of a priority for Michelin.
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When negotiating it helps if you can actually negotiate from a position of strength because then you actually have something to offer the person on the other side of the table. The UK cannot do this because they need access to the single market quite badly, and everyone knows this including the politicians in Brussels. Your unelected Prime Minister says no deal is better than a bad deal. That's pretty interesting since no deal would pretty much wreck the UK economy, and have the added benefit of seeing another Scottish referendum on exiting the UK, and you better believe that it will succeed at that time. Hell it may still happen anyway. The UK was making out pretty good due to the EU, something a lot of the Brexiters failed to comprehend because much like the yokels in America who voted for Trump, they can't grasp that economics on a national/global level doesn't quite function like the personal economics you and I engage in on a daily basis. Personal debt and national debt are not even remotely the same as the government has a key advantage private citizens most decidedly do not have; they can print money. That alters how debt works at a national level quite significantly.

Anyhow, Brexiteers like the Trumptools voted because for their respective choices because the world has passed them by. Instead of learning how to best adapt to the complexities of the changing world, they chose instead to sit on their proverbial porches with other like-minded binary thinkers railing about the world as it is, and wishing for a return to the way things used to be. Progress comes whether you want it to do, and while we could debate the validity of all progress as it would be a fair discussion to have, at some point you have to adapt to the situation you have at hand and deal with it. Voting to change for the sake of change (impulsive voting) is how you wind up with an Orange Orangutan in the White House who is quite literally, the dumbest man to ever sit in that position in our nearly 230 years of presidential politics and how you wind up with a country about to commit economic suicide because a bunch of whiners didn't like the idea of the European Union because they don't understand how the world they live in works.

Sure no one knows how the negotiations go, but much like the people who said you have to give Trump a chance, you'll eventually find out just how bad things can get. You can't imagine things being bad only because the effects of the UK economic slowdown haven't hit yet.

Congratulations on only being able to see the trees and not realizing there's an entire forest out there. It's the same reason you can't see how bad Valentino Rossi was for MotoGP because you lack any real vision to see the entire picture.

Sure I work alone by choice because it's far more productive. I don't have to deal with any bullshit and things get done.
Long winded and lacking knowledge of what really matters.
EU needs not to lose their second biggest contributor and trading partner. For that reason everything blurted out by Juncker and co is just hot air. Same as Sturgeon, so out of touch with what the public wants it's unreal.
So you basically admit you have a problem dealing with other people then?
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I thought the purpose of the control tyre is that nobody has an advantage and everyone is in the same boat like BSB or WSBK.
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I thought the purpose of the control tyre is that nobody has an advantage and everyone is in the same boat like BSB or WSBK.
No, in any Motorsport the purpose of a control tyre seems to be so the governing body can have more control over the races/spectacle/results etc. At least that's what it is now, I'm sure JPS can give examples of F1 using tyres to control the races.
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No, but please stop copying JPS, be your own man.

And thanks for clearing up where you got your info... MCN, the motorcycle world's version of The Daily Star


MCN, ironically one of the most Rossi biased publications around. Surely it's absolutely true with a slant to make it appear "maybe" true then.
Let's not forget that many of your "facts" have been gleaned from Crash.
You're not really in any position to criticise anyone for their beliefs and information sources.
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MCN, ironically one of the most Rossi biased publications around. Surely it's absolutely true with a slant to make it appear "maybe" true then.
Let's not forget that many of your "facts" have been gleaned from Crash.
You're not really in any position to criticise anyone for their beliefs and information sources.
I think crash.net is a good source of factual material as they usually source interviews rather than offer journalistic opinion like mcn does. Crash and autosport are the best sites for putting post race interviews up promptly.
Crashes fanbase is idiotic though.
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I think crash.net is a good source of factual material as they usually source interviews rather than offer journalistic opinion like mcn does. Crash and autosport are the best sites for putting post race interviews up promptly.
Crashes fanbase is idiotic though.
I actually agree, and often follow the testing times etc on there in preference to MotoGP.com.

The comments section on there though, now abbreviated perhaps due to sheer embarrassment on the part of the site owners, make the most jaundiced comments, even in regard to the eternal pro- and anti-Rossi debate, on here look highly informed, intellectual and rational.

I am in total agreement with JPS about MCN though.
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The only good thing about MCN was a centre spread of Ruggia elbow down. Must have been 1990?
Shit thing was it went all yellowed in a few months due to the crap newspaper MCN was/is(?) printed on.
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Long winded and lacking knowledge of what really matters.
EU needs not to lose their second biggest contributor and trading partner. For that reason everything blurted out by Juncker and co is just hot air. Same as Sturgeon, so out of touch with what the public wants it's unreal.
So you basically admit you have a problem dealing with other people then?
British pound has lost 16% of it's value. Is that short and concise enough for you? Is that what "the public" wants?

I love that you twist his working at home into "admitting he has a problem dealing with people". Zillions of people work at home for a multitude of just plain practical reasons like not having to be under the thumb of a supervisor, not being subjected to office politics, freedom to make one's own hours, saving on operating costs involved in commercial rentals etc. I closed my store in Manhattan a year and a half ago and moved my business up to my house. Saves me $45,000.00 a year in expenses; best thing I ever did. I love working at home. I make my own hours, see customers by appointment only, eat home cooked meals instead of overpriced take-out, got my dogs here hanging out in the workshop and can go out and sit in my garden to chill out whenever things get too hectic, or just pull my DRZ out of the garage and go for a spin on back country roads to clear my head out; and I don't have to deal with commuting in the city. Working at home... love it.
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Hard to argue with that.
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