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Segfault March 29th, 2017 12:40 PM

Ducati claimed another victim
 
Lorenzo will be nowhere on Ducati. He does not have it what takes to ride a Ducati in anger.
Why I'm saying this?
Because I have been racing myself and know how it is.
First, talking about "changing the riding style" is B/S. For instance Casey Stoner has no riding style, he just rides every/any bike the way it needs to be ridden.
Second. When riding a bike new to you there is some break-in period for rider, true. But it takes minutes, not days or weeks! If you are not going fast after 20-30 minutes on the bike you will never go fast on that bike. Period.

Conclusion, Lorenzo moving to Ducati was another career-killing achievement, nothing less.

Keshav March 29th, 2017 01:06 PM

"I signed with Ducati to finish my career here, although you never know what's going to happen in life, let alone in racing."


Lorenzo


So true...

Hollywood March 29th, 2017 02:34 PM

Perhaps in the future Ducati should promote riders with Ducati experience.

Keshav March 29th, 2017 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood (Post 431355)
Perhaps in the future Ducati should promote riders with Ducati experience.

No offence Hermano - but look how long Dovi has been on the Duc. The improvement of his results while solid - haven't been commensurate with his long standing experience. This can be said for everyone who has competed on the bike - including Stoner. Stoner after all, was brilliant right from the start. His last year was not a great one, even tho they got the bike working well (relatively) enough that he could win three races in a row; and that was largely IMHO - down to his prowess as a rider.

GOAT March 29th, 2017 08:26 PM

Personally can't help but wonder if Marquez will be able to work the Duc.

I also can't help but have some faith in Gigi's foresight. I'm pretty sure they didn't plonk their many millions down on a gamble. I think Jorge will be the strongest Ducati in time to come, but whether or not the Ducati will be capable of winning a championship, is another mystery altogether.

Hollywood March 29th, 2017 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keshav (Post 431358)
No offence Hermano - but look how long Dovi has been on the Duc. The improvement of his results while solid - haven't been commensurate with his long standing experience. This can be said for everyone who has competed on the bike - including Stoner. Stoner after all, was brilliant right from the start. His last year was not a great one, even tho they got the bike working well (relatively) enough that he could win three races in a row; and that was largely IMHO - down to his prowess as a rider.

The bikes are more different from each other then people realize, and I think the teams (even Ducati) know this... before jumping to a Yamaha ride, do a test with a rider in the family, like scott reading.

MM on a ducati??? I think his riding style certainly fits the bike more then JLo's, but who is to say.

BarryMachine March 29th, 2017 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segfault (Post 431350)
First, talking about "changing the riding style" is B/S. For instance Casey Stoner has no riding style, he just rides every/any bike the way it needs to be ridden.


This bit is very incorrect. Casey rides what is recognisable as a style often seen in australian dirt track. The bike is loose, in the zone of past traction but he plays with the balance of the bike to get it to go where it should go. It may not be a style many "get" especially the euro riders but it is most definitely a style you see on all bikes he rides. Its most definitely the style that allowed him to get the most out of the Ducati compared to other riders who just tried to get it to the "grip" point.

But it is spectacular to see someone doing it on sealed circuit as opposed to a very loose dirt circuit.

Arrabbiata1 March 30th, 2017 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segfault (Post 431350)
Lorenzo will be nowhere on Ducati. He does not have it what takes to ride a Ducati in anger.
Why I'm saying this?
Because I have been racing myself and know how it is.

If it hadn't been for Maise8 or HarryJones08 this would very possibly be the most ludicrous assertion and glaring logical fallacy in the often cringeworthy history of this forum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segfault (Post 431350)
First, talking about "changing the riding style" is B/S. For instance Casey Stoner has no riding style, he just rides every/any bike the way it needs to be ridden.

Refer to BMs post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segfault (Post 431350)
Second. When riding a bike new to you there is some break-in period for rider, true. But it takes minutes, not days or weeks! If you are not going fast after 20-30 minutes on the bike you will never go fast on that bike. Period.

??????The era of the 500cc two stroke obviously passed you by or you weren't born then.

20 - 30 minutes? Period? These are prototype MotoGP machines meaning that it is constantly in flux, there are thousands of variables to consider which are mutable. Some riders switch manufacturer or come up a class and are immediately quick, others are more methodical even tentative in their approach, whilst the more unfortunate are hampered by a wrong turn in development or a factory flight of fancy. Happened to the best of them. See Rainey in 1993 and the chassis shenanigans at Yamaha.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segfault (Post 431350)
Conclusion, Lorenzo moving to Ducati was another career-killing achievement, nothing less.

No, conclusion, you are a tit of the highest order and this is a very shit post.

Back to Jorge though, Dovi does illustrate that you can run the bike long and with the changes to the Michelin carcass I do at least think that the tyres will come to him this year. He is already trying to modify his style to accommodate the bike with a more physical approach - but it is a dreadful shame that the smoothest GP rider since Lawson has traded the precise tool/weapon that he sharpened, personalised honed and wielded so successfully for a lump hammer in comparison.

Several years in the wilderness i'm afraid, whilst an escape committee orchestrated by Dorna and Yamaha may not be so forthcoming as it was for Valentino.

Dr No March 30th, 2017 01:46 AM

"..this is a very shit post."
Made me lol.

michaelm March 30th, 2017 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarryMachine (Post 431374)
This bit is very incorrect. Casey rides what is recognisable as a style often seen in australian dirt track. The bike is loose, in the zone of past traction but he plays with the balance of the bike to get it to go where it should go. It may not be a style many "get" especially the euro riders but it is most definitely a style you see on all bikes he rides. Its most definitely the style that allowed him to get the most out of the Ducati compared to other riders who just tried to get it to the "grip" point.

But it is spectacular to see someone doing it on sealed circuit as opposed to a very loose dirt circuit.

To be fair, I think he was actually praising Stoner and more or less saying what Stoner has said himself.

Stoner is on record as saying the Ducati had to be ridden as it wanted to be ridden, and also that his natural style was smoother than the one he employed on the Ducati.

To me, and I obviously haven't raced and defer to those who have, the way he rode the Ducati did owe a lot to dirt track as you say, and he still employed elements of that style when he rode the Honda for HRC.


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