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March 31st, 2017, 11:41 AM   #31
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A shame you didn't actually do any reading about the RCV and what the riders of it had to say.

Moto Moron strikes again...
Right, I must have missed the interviews with the Pramac riders talking about how much better their bike was than the Repsol RCV. Any issues Marc had to deal with last year were small compared to what every rider I listed above had to deal with.

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Insert random 3rd grade level insult to make it seem like his post has credibility and to hopefully derail the thread into a petty insult competition.
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Right, I must have missed the interviews with the Pramac riders talking about how much better their bike was compared to the Repsol RCV. Any issues Marc had to deal with last year were small compared to what every rider I listed above had to deal with.

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Insert random 3rd grade level insult to make it seem like his post has credibility and to hopefully derail the thread into a petty insult competition.
Again, MM won a title on the worst title winning bike since the GP7.

Have you learned anything yet?

All those riders you listed would not, and could not have won the title on the RCV. And really...comparing mostly second or third tier talent to MM?

Funny you should whine about derailing the thread since as usual, you had to mention me specifically when I had only one post in here and it had nothing to do with you. Obsessed much? How empty must your life be that you constantly chase after me on here?

I'm inside your head, just admit it. You might feel better.
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March 31st, 2017, 11:59 AM   #33
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Again, MM won a title on the worst title winning bike since the GP7.

Have you learned anything yet?

All those riders you listed would not, and could not have won the title on the RCV. And really...comparing mostly second or third tier talent to MM?

Funny you should whine about derailing the thread since as usual, you had to mention me specifically when I had only one post in here and it had nothing to do with you. Obsessed much? How empty must your life be that you constantly chase after me on here?

I'm inside your head, just admit it. You might feel better.
I knew calling you out by name would provide some temporary entertainment. There's no way you can factually state Marquez would win a championship on the Ducati, but I knew you'd try and I knew you'd do so with emotions. Funny you think you're in my head, you're my little puppet.
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March 31st, 2017, 12:20 PM   #34
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Riding style.
Trouble with armchair racers and internet wannabe pundits is someone somewhere tells something, then it is recited all over the place until everybody starts believing this is the truth.
Barry, he's calling you an armchair racer!!!

Such as nonsense like this?...

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If you are not going fast after 20-30 minutes on the bike you will never go fast on that bike. Period.
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All, yes ALL MotoGP riders practice motocross. This is important to develop skills to keep sliding bike under control. Stating they ride MotoGP bike "motocross style" is ridiculous.
I'm not aware that anyone did - we were referring to riders from a dirt track pedigree. Still think that's ridiculous?


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Rider A can drive smoothly and keep the corner speed, but loses out on brakes. It is fair to say he has his own riding style.
Rider B can outbrake anyone, but can't get it right exiting the corner, losing out on the straights as a result. He has his own style, I agree.
Rider C has all skills in his bag. He can do whatever the bike needs to go fast. He has no riding style, he is too good to be limited just one style.
Let's dispense with the term 'alien' - because it's not particularly popular on this forum and tends to be a pejorative term on here. We'll call them C Riders instead. We could even start a thread devoted to 'Rider C' - Immediately can think of a great many from the rich pantheon and pedigree of motorcycle racing. My issue is 'limited to'. The style is refined and it may well be an amalgam of different codes - but it is still their own. In fact it is so personalised to be liberating - even transcendent (hence the term alien I guess).

Other than Stoner, which other riders would you also contend did not forge and develop their own "style" - or even modify it? Read Stoner's book. All the origins of his riding style are discussed. He talks about being young and learning to naturally slide two wheels on corner entry while he was doing flat track in Australia. Contrary to his detractors, he reveals how little TC he really used at both Ducati and Honda. Great riders enhance and hone their technique throughout their career - indeed, he speaks of learning to pick up the motorcycle on the exit from Dani Pedrosa for example. My point is, just because Rider C can do all the things that you speak of, it does not mean that they have not developed their own inimitable style. I've cited Spies observation many times on this forum that when he was following Rossi he could see and understand what he was doing, but he just couldn't do it. Following Stoner, he could see what he was doing but he couldn't understand how he was doing it. Today, riders have made the same observations about Marquez - would you suggest that he doesn't have his own style either?

Ostensibly, Spies testimony confirms much of what you are saying about "Rider C", but it doesn't mean that they have sacrificed or even eschewed the development of an identifiable style because it is restrictive - and this can be routed in a range of influences. in the case of Stoner, it was informed by flat track racing - and that's immediately apparent and has never been compromised. The same could be said of KRsnr - his style was exported straight form the dirt and oil of American ovals, but he refined it to short track road racing and the demands of a 500cc GP bike. He still had his own style though. Cal Rayborn - also Ameican, also weaned on the dirt, Grand National Master, also came across the pond - owned and smoked UK and European riders on a circuits that were unfamiliar to him first time of asking. Both category C riders beyond doubt - but if you are trying to make the case that wither Roberts or Rayborn didn't have their own style then I suggest you immediately delete your account and never return.

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Riding style.

I'm an old fart who didn't ride a bike for 35 years. Then I moved to Deep South and got myself a Harley. The first day I went out on it I got some rain. I touched the brake and locked up the front at about 50 MPH. It was complete surprise to me, I didn't know the stock Dunlop is such a crap tire. 999 Harley riders out of 1000 could have dropped the bike. My right hand knew what to do even before I became conscious of lockup, the skill I learned when racing, it released the brake and I kept the bike upright.

Now, according to armchair pundits I ride my Harley "sportbike style"?
What a nonsense.
Careful - you are similarly close to toppling off your high horse.

"Now, according to armchair pundits I ride my Harley "sportbike style"?"

Eh??? My own introduction to riding was off road motocross and mainly stay on the track these days, but I learnt the same skill you refer to on the road...on shite eighties muscle bikes when tyre technology was informed by an episode of The Flintstones - it comes with experience and is quite an elementary reaction. How on earth do you know that 99% of riders would have dropped the bike in the same situation? What a ludicrous derogatory comment and atrocious analogy.

Why would it mean you be riding your Harley "sportsbike style"? - (unless your name was Cal Rayborn of course.)

The only thing your right hand appears to know how to do is beat off over your own self aggrandising fantasies.

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Why I'm saying this?
Because you are a condescending tit of the highest order?

Segfault, meet Messrs Dunning and Kruger, they'll love you.
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I knew calling you out by name would provide some temporary entertainment. There's no way you can factually state Marquez would win a championship on the Ducati, but I knew you'd try and I knew you'd do so with emotions. Funny you think you're in my head, you're my little puppet.
So you openly admit you have nothing useful to say?

Shocking.

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So you openly admit you have nothing useful to say?

Shocking.

Nice post! Definitely supports your claim that Marquez would win a championship on the Ducati.
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Riding style.

Trouble with armchair racers and internet wannabe pundits is someone somewhere tells something, then it is recited all over the place until everybody starts believing this is the truth.

All, yes ALL MotoGP riders practice motocross. This is important to develop skills to keep sliding bike under control. Stating they ride MotoGP bike "motocross style" is ridiculous.

Rider A can drive smoothly and keep the corner speed, but loses out on brakes. It is fair to say he has his own riding style.
Rider B can outbrake anyone, but can't get it right exiting the corner, losing out on the straights as a result. He has his own style, I agree.
Rider C has all skills in his bag. He can do whatever the bike needs to go fast. He has no riding style, he is too good to be limited just one style.

I'm an old fart who didn't ride a bike for 35 years. Then I moved to Deep South and got myself a Harley. The first day I went out on it I got some rain. I touched the brake and locked up the front at about 50 MPH. It was complete surprise to me, I didn't know the stock Dunlop is such a crap tire. 999 Harley riders out of 1000 could have dropped the bike. My right hand knew what to do even before I became conscious of lockup, the skill I learned when racing, it released the brake and I kept the bike upright.

Now, according to armchair pundits I ride my Harley "sportbike style"?
What a nonsense.
WTF!!!!!!!!???


Oh I get it .......


is this you Jumkie?

Mdub ....?
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Barry, he's calling you an armchair racer!!!

Such as nonsense like this
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Armchair!!!!!!

Like I have that much energy !

I compete in the prone position ! With a few pillows propping up my head ....... We get most of the races late at night here .......

So my current viewing/racing is ....... recumbent!

But I maintain that through all postures of my racing career ......

real
jumping around in front of tv actively
whilst at a table
On the lounge (armchair)
On the lounge with baby and baby bottle.
on the lounge and yelling at the kids to be quiet.
On the lounge worried where the kids are
on the lounge knowing where the kids are but dissapproving of the fact.
on the lounge not giving a stuff.
..........
To my current recumbent posture ........

I have always retained my general style!

You'd call it "lazy"if anything ....
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So you openly admit you have nothing useful to say?

Shocking.

Ha , a tactic well used to no effect by the remoaners , you would fit in well at snowflake central.
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Armchair!!!!!!

Like I have that much energy !

I compete in the prone position ! With a few pillows propping up my head ....... We get most of the races late at night here .......

So my current viewing/racing is ....... recumbent!

But I maintain that through all postures of my racing career ......

real
jumping around in front of tv actively
whilst at a table
On the lounge (armchair)
On the lounge with baby and baby bottle.
on the lounge and yelling at the kids to be quiet.
On the lounge worried where the kids are
on the lounge knowing where the kids are but dissapproving of the fact.
on the lounge not giving a stuff.
..........
To my current recumbent posture ........

I have always retained my general style!

You'd call it "lazy"if anything ....
Brillant
Your best post ever Barry
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