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March 30th, 2017, 02:45 PM   #21
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MM might not try to destroy every record set (poles, wins and champs), as he already set a few himself. It would be great to see him have a crack at the Ducati eventually. Just pass it around and have a crack at it.

"Wouldn't it be fun if the entire grid had to pull from a hat for grid position AND for the bike! haha Not a sellable corporate proposition but it really would be fun to see."

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March 30th, 2017, 02:49 PM   #22
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I think Rossi employs a style similar to Iannone braking deep to the apex which apparently doesn't suit the Suzuki.

When Iannone says he needs to brake early then let off and 'free wheel' through the corner I immediately think of Lorenzo.

I'm thoroughly confused by Ducati's infatuation with Lorenzo going as we know all the way back to 2009. I don't think they could pick a worse mis-match. Then again it appears Lorenzo was just as much in denial:

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...ployee-884346/


He thought his Yamaha style would work on a Ducati. Which Ducati was he looking at. The fixed in 80 seconds one? And after all the riders that have been on it.

Anyway the way I see it Ducati had one play and one play only. Save the cash they threw at Lorenzo. Wait for Marquez to come off contract. Throw the cash, the kitchen and the sink at Marquez and hope he bites. He is the one rider with the style that just sounds right, with the deep braking, and who knows the way the Ducati hooks up out of the corners he might actually enjoy riding the pig.
Lorenzo's interview comments are fascinating, but worrisome. I can't understand how everyone on the outside could see the Ducati was going to be a problem for Lorenzo due to his style, while Lorenzo somehow remained oblivious? I wonder if the initial signing had something to do with the winglets and making a bet that they would still be on the bike for 2017 rather than gone.

Ditto on Marquez. He is the only rider who can give Ducati that second world title.
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I think Rossi employs a style similar to Iannone braking deep to the apex which apparently doesn't suit the Suzuki.

When Iannone says he needs to brake early then let off and 'free wheel' through the corner I immediately think of Lorenzo.

I'm thoroughly confused by Ducati's infatuation with Lorenzo going as we know all the way back to 2009. I don't think they could pick a worse mis-match. Then again it appears Lorenzo was just as much in denial:

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...ployee-884346/


He thought his Yamaha style would work on a Ducati. Which Ducati was he looking at. The fixed in 80 seconds one? And after all the riders that have been on it.

Anyway the way I see it Ducati had one play and one play only. Save the cash they threw at Lorenzo. Wait for Marquez to come off contract. Throw the cash, the kitchen and the sink at Marquez and hope he bites. He is the one rider with the style that just sounds right, with the deep braking, and who knows the way the Ducati hooks up out of the corners he might actually enjoy riding the pig.
Sure, a cogent argument regarding Rossi and Suzuki, and I am always happy to bow to your superior knowledge. I was more taking a line through Vinales being immediately suited by the Yamaha rather than considering Iannone, and thinking a bike which suits him and Lorenzo would likely also suit Rossi.
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Riding style.

Trouble with armchair racers and internet wannabe pundits is someone somewhere tells something, then it is recited all over the place until everybody starts believing this is the truth.

All, yes ALL MotoGP riders practice motocross. This is important to develop skills to keep sliding bike under control. Stating they ride MotoGP bike "motocross style" is ridiculous.

Rider A can drive smoothly and keep the corner speed, but loses out on brakes. It is fair to say he has his own riding style.
Rider B can outbrake anyone, but can't get it right exiting the corner, losing out on the straights as a result. He has his own style, I agree.
Rider C has all skills in his bag. He can do whatever the bike needs to go fast. He has no riding style, he is too good to be limited just one style.

I'm an old fart who didn't ride a bike for 35 years. Then I moved to Deep South and got myself a Harley. The first day I went out on it I got some rain. I touched the brake and locked up the front at about 50 MPH. It was complete surprise to me, I didn't know the stock Dunlop is such a crap tire. 999 Harley riders out of 1000 could have dropped the bike. My right hand knew what to do even before I became conscious of lockup, the skill I learned when racing, it released the brake and I kept the bike upright.

Now, according to armchair pundits I ride my Harley "sportbike style"?
What a nonsense.
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He has only done one race give him a break!!!!!
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He has only done one race give him a break!!!!!
Exactly. I was going to post yesterday, but I wanted to see how long the people in here were going to slam Lorenzo.

When I posted that I didn't think Lorenzo put forth much effort at Assen last year, I was accused of hating him. Now there's several people here claiming Lorenzo is done after just one 11th place result on the Ducati. Of course they think they're just stating facts, but it's really just hating on the man. It's a long season and Lorenzo is one of the best riders while Ducati is the strongest they've been in years. IMO, if Dovi can be quick on the Duc it's only a matter of time before Lorenzo is even quicker.

Also, all the talk of Marquez winning on another bike is pure hyperbole. He struggles to win on the RCV when it's not right and a different bike may not provide the feel he likes for the way he wants to ride. Until Marc actually gives another bike a try, people (JPS) should stop claiming he'll win championships on almost any bike like it's a fact.

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He has only done one race give him a break!!!!!
Indeed. The fact that Dovi was running 2nd gives me hope Lorenzo will get it together. When Rossi was riding, Hayden wasn't finishing races on the podium either.
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Also, all the talk of Marquez winning on another bike is pure hyperbole. He struggles to win on the RCV when it's not right and a different bike may not provide the feel he likes for the way he wants to ride. Until Marc actually gives another bike a try, people (JPS) should stop claiming he'll win championships on almost any bike like it's a fact.
Good to see you still haven't learned anything about MotoGP!!

Marquez won last year's title on a bad bike, and managed to nearly double his points tally to the next closest Honda (Pedrosa).

In fact the next two closest Honda's in the final standings belonged to Pedrosa and Crutchlow. Combined the two scored 296 points. Marquez scored 298 points.

Have you learned anything yet about the chasm in talent between Marquez and everyone else?

Clearly not.

Must suck to be as stupid as you are.

After all, wasn't it your idol who said it's 80-20 in favor of talent versus equipment?
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Good to see you still haven't learned anything about MotoGP!!

Marquez won last year's title on a bad bike, and managed to nearly double his points tally to the next closest Honda (Pedrosa).

In fact the next two closest Honda's in the final standings belonged to Pedrosa and Crutchlow. Combined the two scored 296 points. Marquez scored 298 points.

Have you learned anything yet about the chasm in talent between Marquez and everyone else?

Clearly not.

Must suck to be as stupid as you are.

After all, wasn't it your idol who said it's 80-20 in favor of talent versus equipment?
It's you that doesn't know shit about MotoGP. Marc didn't win last year's championship on a bad bike... not by a long shot. Marc rides for the most dominate team on the most dominate bike. Comparing Marc to Pedrosa isn't quite fair since the bike has been developed away from Pedrosa to better suit Marquez (like what HRC did to Hayden).

Riders that had a "bad bike" last year would be:
Danilo Petrucci
Scott Redding
Yonny Hernadez
Eugene Laverty
Hector Barbera
Loris Baz
Tito Rabat
Jack Miller
Cal Crutchlow
Aleix Espargaro
Maverick Vinales
Andrea Dovizioso
Andrea Iannone

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It's you that doesn't know shit about MotoGP. Marc didn't win last year's championship on a bad bike... not by a long shot. Marc rides for the most dominate team on the most dominate bike. Comparing Marc to Pedrosa isn't quite fair since the bike has been developed away from Pedrosa to better suit Marquez (like what HRC did to Hayden).

Riders that had a "bad bike" last year would be:
Danilo Petrucci
Scott Redding
Yonny Hernadez
Eugene Laverty
Hector Barbera
Loris Baz
Tito Rabat
Jack Miller
Cal Crutchlow
Aleix Espargaro
Maverick Vinales
Andrea Dovizioso
Andrea Iannone
A shame you didn't actually do any reading about the RCV and what the riders of it had to say.

Moto Moron strikes again...

I'm sure in 2007 you would have claimed the GP7 was the best bike on the grid because of the title Stoner won on it. You have a proclivity towards making a really bad assumption that if someone wins a title on a bike, it must be a great bike.

Let me know when you learn something....
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