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April 2nd, 2017, 12:23 PM   #91
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So .... I can include Daniboy in YOUR camp arab....
Oh Christ - I'll admit, you got me there BM.
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No one else had won a title on the yamaha since 1992 and it had shit results in MotoGP 2002 and 2003. Thats why it was considered a bad bike.

Same thing was said when stoner moved to ducati.
Yamaha didn't really make a serious attempt at even building a 990 engine till the 2004 bike.

That said, Rainey was winning till his terrible crash in 1993, albeit using a customer frame, and 2 blokes called Doohan and Rossi riding for Honda, winning 8 titles between them, may have been influential.
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Yamaha didn't really make a serious attempt at even building a 990 engine till the 2004 bike.

That said, Rainey was winning till his terrible crash in 1993, albeit using a customer frame, and 2 blokes called Doohan and Rossi riding for Honda, winning 8 titles between them, may have been influential.
I suspect Rainey would have been finished after 1993 or 1994 at the latest if he never crashes at Misano. Would have been interesting to see him still riding against Mick Doohan. Wonder if it still would have been 5 in a row had Rainey been okay....interesting alternate history to wonder about.
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I think something that is overlooked as well is that back then Yamaha could test a whole lot more. Now Honda who certainly have a less than perfect bike are in a much worse place trying to turn a bike around than Yamaha was for the '04 season. I think that Hondas choice of test rider is poor as well. Ayoma is so far off the pace I wonder how valuable his input can even be. They dropped the ball big time by not keeping Stoner happy and taking full advantage of his abilities.

If '04 had the same testing restrictions that are I place now were present on '04 I guarantee that Rossis to Yamaha wouldn't have been so smooth and gone so well so early. The Yamaha engineers did a brilliant job but without Rossi(or someone of similar pace) being able to test their work I don't see how they could've had comparable results. Rossi tried fixing a bike when testing restrictions were in place.... How did that go again?
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I think something that is overlooked as well is that back then Yamaha could test a whole lot more. Now Honda who certainly have a less than perfect bike are in a much worse place trying to turn a bike around than Yamaha was for the '04 season. I think that Hondas choice of test rider is poor as well. Ayoma is so far off the pace I wonder how valuable his input can even be. They dropped the ball big time by not keeping Stoner happy and taking full advantage of his abilities.

If '04 had the same testing restrictions that are I place now were present on '04 I guarantee that Rossis to Yamaha wouldn't have been so smooth and gone so well so early. The Yamaha engineers did a brilliant job but without Rossi(or someone of similar pace) being able to test their work I don't see how they could've had comparable results. Rossi tried fixing a bike when testing restrictions were in place.... How did that go again?
Honda thinks only from the engineering side unfortunately, so keeping Stoner happy was never going to be a priority. Had he not retired, I think would have left HRC as a rider because the same problem happening now would have unfolded for him. Changing the might and direction of Honda is not something one man is going to do. He did mention about Honda not listening to his feedback at Sepang when he tested the 2015 iteration of the RC213V with regards to the engine. He must have picked up on the screamer engine issues that were being masked by the environs of Malaysia, but showed up once temperatures dropped. It took them till 2017 to reverse direction on that engine and go back to a big bang firing order, but their chassis is still fucked up. Kind of astounding how MM won the 2016 title with a 2 year old chassis when you think about it, and is using it 3 years later still with another new engine.
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"I found my position on bike."
-- Lorenzo.

^^ I do not believe this is the magic key, more like desperation talking.

But we'll see in Austin. A track that suits Ducati well. If Lorenzo really is finally mating with Ducati he should be on podium. Yeah right.
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"I found my position on bike."

-- Lorenzo.



^^ I do not believe this is the magic key, more like desperation talking.



But we'll see in Austin. A track that suits Ducati well. If Lorenzo really is finally mating with Ducati he should be on podium. Yeah right.


You should be riding it instead of JL, you seem to know all the answers...
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No one else had won a title on the yamaha since 1992 and it had shit results in MotoGP 2002 and 2003. Thats why it was considered a bad bike.

Same thing was said when stoner moved to ducati.
Where did you get that from....?

Capirossi was 3rd in 2006 on the Duc, and could have won the title that year had his teammate not taken him out in Barcelona...
Ducati was a very capable package when Stoner arrived in the team in 2007....
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Where did you get that from....?



Capirossi was 3rd in 2006 on the Duc, and could have won the title that year had his teammate not taken him out in Barcelona...

Ducati was a very capable package when Stoner arrived in the team in 2007....


The 2007 bike was the first 800cc Ducati, it might share similarities but was definitely a different bike buddy.
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