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March 4th, 2017, 05:53 PM   #81
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It's pretty funny to say that Rossi did the right thing, or he didn't hurt himself, because he was too slow to beat Lorenzo the last race, anyway. What you are saying is that you and Rossi knew what was going to happen in the future. Thus, him starting from last was okay. rofl.

He lost three points for Malaysia, which gave him four penalty points for the season and mandated that he start from last the next race. Repeat: He had the same points as if he finished fourth. He gained nothing by pushing MM wide, except 20+ grid positions.

No one predicted the future. And no one knew where he would qualify or finish the last race. If he hadn't been penalized, he could have killed Lorenzo the last race and would have been bequeathed the championship. Something that I am sure also-ran Edwards would do for him. To state that Rossi didn't really hurt his chances in Malaysia is either disingenuous or delusional, just like Rossi has been about the whole damn thing. ;-P
You obviously don't know how the penalty system works. Rossi did not lose championship points, he accrued three penalty points which are two totally different entities.
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Yeah but you have to remember that MM chucking it down the road which was normal in 2015 means if he came second and Rossi gained a position then the title would've have been his. That's not the case without the 3 extra points. It just added a bit more pressure but as I think we've all seen when the pressure is on Lorenzo shines. Rossi under the same pressure probably has a stack.
Sure, many if asked for a prediction prior to Sepang 2015 as to MM's likely result at Valencia 2015 would have put a win or crashing out ahead of him finishing second.
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You obviously don't know how the penalty system works. Rossi did not lose championship points, he accrued three penalty points which are two totally different entities.
Now I understand what he was (erroneously) getting at.

Look up the points scored by Rossi in the 2015 season Pony. They include 16 points for Sepang 2015, not the 13 he would have scored had MM finished 3rd ahead of him.
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You obviously don't know how the penalty system works. Rossi did not lose championship points, he accrued three penalty points which are two totally different entities.
Don't confuse the issue with facts.
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Agreed, which is why it is utterly useless trying to have a reasonable discussion with them. A fellow motorbike enthusiast at work went ape over the Sepang incident, going so far as saying "What was Marquez doing trying to pass Rossi around the outside there anyway?" I simply responded by asking would he be saying the same if Marquez and Rossi had reversed roles?
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You obviously don't know how the penalty system works. Rossi did not lose championship points, he accrued three penalty points which are two totally different entities.
I think you nailed it, he must be confused about the penalty points system vs championship points. He thinks that the additional 3 championship points Rossi gained in Sepang by finishing in 3rd rather than 4th where removed by the 3 penalty points he acquired for the incident causing him to start from the back of the grid at Valencia.

Iamapony, Rossi received the full 16 points for his 3rd place finish at Sepang, he didn't have 3 points removed. Penalty points don't subtract from or effect the championship points tally.
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Agreed, which is why it is utterly useless trying to have a reasonable discussion with them. A fellow motorbike enthusiast at work went ape over the Sepang incident, going so far as saying "What was Marquez doing trying to pass Rossi around the outside there anyway?" I simply responded by asking would he be saying the same if Marquez and Rossi had reversed roles?
Exactly. Rossi raced Stoner the same way at Laguna Seca 2008, Lorenzo the same way at Motegi 2010 when VR was out of the title race (I thought he was entitled to do so, and said this at the time), Colin Edwards rode as a blocker for Rossi when they were team-mates (as I saw when I re-visited footage of the race during which Pedrosa took Hayden out in 2006 for instance), Rossi got his lead over Lorenzo in 2015 with everyone in the field trying to beat Lorenzo in the first place, and for that matter no-one gave Mick Doohan anything (and nor of course did he ask for anything) when he returned for the last 2 races of 1992 and only he could beat Wayne Rainey; he had absolutely dominated the title race before his injury at Assen in that year.

If there is an unwritten rule it is that you shouldn't put a championship contender at risk of crashing out by an unfeasible move, which MM didn't do at PI 2015 and probably didn't do at Sepang, after which he was pretty much admonished in regard to racing a contender for position, apparently after successful mind-reading by RD. Rossi himself of course took out Stoner who was leading the championship at the time with an egregiously stupid and unnecessary move at Jerez 2011 which could seriously have affected Stoner's title chances but Stoner somehow ended up being the bad guy in that incident as well.

Either it is allowable to race legally for position or it isn't, I don't see how the ambitions of Rossi and his fans for him to win an extra title or whether MM has the "correct" attitude to Rossi and his ambitions come into it. Each race is supposed to be an entity unto itself anyway.
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Pony was right, 3 penalty points given = 4 for the season, put the bong down.
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You obviously don't know how the penalty system works. Rossi did not lose championship points, he accrued three penalty points which are two totally different entities.
This. Keep working at that wit Dani....

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Exactly. Rossi raced Stoner the same way at Laguna Seca 2008, Lorenzo the same way at Motegi 2010 when VR was out of the title race (I thought he was entitled to do so, and said this at the time), Colin Edwards rode as a blocker for Rossi when they were team-mates (as I saw when I re-visited footage of the race during which Pedrosa took Hayden out in 2006 for instance), Rossi got his lead over Lorenzo in 2015 with everyone in the field trying to beat Lorenzo in the first place, and for that matter no-one gave Mick Doohan anything (and nor of course did he ask for anything) when he returned for the last 2 races of 1992 and only he could beat Wayne Rainey; he had absolutely dominated the title race before his injury at Assen in that year.

If there is an unwritten rule it is that you shouldn't put a championship contender at risk of crashing out by an unfeasible move, which MM didn't do at PI 2015 and probably didn't do at Sepang, after which he was pretty much admonished in regard to racing a contender for position, apparently after successful mind-reading by RD. Rossi himself of course took out Stoner who was leading the championship at the time with an egregiously stupid and unnecessary move at Jerez 2011 which could seriously have affected Stoner's title chances but Stoner somehow ended up being the bad guy in that incident as well.

Either it is allowable to race legally for position or it isn't, I don't see how the ambitions of Rossi and his fans for him to win an extra title or whether MM has the "correct" attitude to Rossi and his ambitions come into it. Each race is supposed to be an entity unto itself anyway.
Certainly, it all seems to come under the "Rossi Rule".

It's interesting that my wife, who started watching GP's with me in late 2014 onwards and without any influence from me, noticed the infatuation with Rossi. She even went as far as saying regarding his fanbase, why don't MotoGP just gather all the riders at the start of the weekend and hand Rossi the winners trophy.
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This. Keep working at that wit Dani....



Certainly, it all seems to come under the "Rossi Rule".

It's interesting that my wife, who started watching GP's with me in late 2014 onwards and without any influence from me, noticed the infatuation with Rossi. She even went as far as saying regarding his fanbase, why don't MotoGP just gather all the riders at the start of the weekend and hand Rossi the winners trophy.
Come off it #22 you got the wrong end of the stick regarding Ponys post . Quoting Pov doesn't get you out of the hole.
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I'm sure Pony will clarify at some point, but it does sound like he was talking about penalty points over championship points.

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