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March 2nd, 2017, 09:22 PM   #51
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You are kidding, right?
He had to start from LAST because of his stupid ego, or insanity, or his boyfriend, or what-ev-ar. If he finished third or fourth and lined up on the first row, what then? We don't know. But, that sure would be a lot better than a three point deduction and starting forking last. Math - try it out.
Have a look at the Valencia race laptimes breakdown (see link http://resources.motogp.com/files/re...df?v1_8ee23d4a ). Jorge, Marc and Dani all did faster laptimes than Vale during EVERY SINGLE LAP of the Valencia race .... so how exactly then could Vale have finished any higher than 4th position regardless of where he started the race from? Admittedly Vale was slower during the opening laps of the race due to cutting through traffic and such but this makes no difference to his pace during all the laps in the race he wasn't hindered by traffic, and I'm pretty certain he wasn't holding anything back or biding his time.

Even if Rossi had of started the race somewhere up the front of the grid instead of 12th position where he qualified. He probably wouldnt have finished 19 seconds behind Dani ... but still would have finished behind Dani in 4th. I agree with p4p1, looking at it all with 20/20 hindsight he sure got a better deal starting from the back at Valencia compared to losing points to Marc at Sepang.
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I'd like to add that another reason why he was far better off is let's say that Dani and Marc tangle at some point during the race and take each other out. Always a possibility. With his 3 extra points from Sepang Rossi would win the championship by coming second to Lorenzos. Without those three points if they take each other out Lorenzo has to win the race which was a lock(in th scenario that Marc and Dani take each other out) to take the title. In every logical way when looking at times through the whole weekend Rossi getting the grid penalty instead of losing 3 extra points from Sepang or worse kept the championship alive. That's not even going into the extra pressure for Lorenzo(who's incredible under pressure btw) by knowing he had to win to clinch the title.
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It's simple he had the pace to finish 4th in Sepang 12 points, he had the pace to finish 4th in Valencia given that he never had the pace of the top 3 during the whole weekend. He still qualified 12th and according to his team they were treating qualifying as qualifying.

13+13= 26
16+13= 29
The maths is fucking simple when you look at the pace he showed in Valencia and Sepang. He unfairly gained three points towards his championship and in the end the penalty didn't effect what would have been his final finishing position in Valencia given his pace the entire weekend. This is also back when the factory Honda and yamahas had a huge electronics advantage over the entire field. If in 2015 they were competing with the unified software he probably would've struggled much more to get up to 4th. He also didn't start last.
100% correct. If you go back and look at race analysis, at no time, did Rossi come close to running the lap times as the top 3, even early in the race when he had 2 seconds of open track in front of him before the caught the next group and every reason to push. He didn't have the speed to finish any higher than 4th, but had he started up front, I guess he could have taken out a few more riders and won the title. Bottom line, he benefitted from committing the cardinal sin of bike racing, wrecking another rider on purpose
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and how many points jl gained at the last 2 races where mm should win? same math here!!!!
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and how many points jl gained at the last 2 races where mm should win? same math here!!!!
And where is your evidence that Marquez "Should" have won the last 2 races? If anything, 2015 showed us that when Marquez was capable of winning races he did just that.
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Ok, so just another bopper then....
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and how many points jl gained at the last 2 races where mm should win? same math here!!!!
And how many did he lost at Phillip Island when Marquez DID win?

Swings and roundabouts
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and how many points jl gained at the last 2 races where mm should win? same math here!!!!
The guy Rossi needed to beat was Lorenzo in those end of season races, as MM actually said. He wasn't fast enough to do it, or to beat Pedrosa in several end of season races and Iannone at PI. As David Emmett said on his site, Rossi couldn't sub-contract beating Lorenzo to other riders.

The controversy arose after PI, where MM WON THE FUCKING RACE, depriving Lorenzo of 5 points as Gaz says, but ludicrously was accused of tanking a race he actually won, apparently on the basis of Uccio's superior and totally unbiased analytical skills when no-one else at all perceived any shenanigans on the day.

As I have said, just because MM crashed out of 6 races earlier in the season doesn't mean he was obliged to keep doing so, and some see PI 2015 as a turning point in his career where he finally realised that mindlessly attempting to dominate every lap of a race was not necessarily the best approach; he carried this on to the 2016 season, winning the championship by riding fairly judiciously on a flawed bike until he clinched the title. MM actually has not finished a premier class race at PI other than in 2015, btw, crashing out of a substantial lead in both 2014 and 2016.

It quite disturbs me that even Rossi fans knowledgeable about the sport such as you seem to want to turn it into World Championship Wrestling. However pleasing it would be for Rossi and his fans, and good for ratings, for Rossi to win the 8th/10th he has to actually do so on merit or it devalues the whole sport, including the 7 titles Rossi has won.
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and how many points jl gained at the last 2 races where mm should win? same math here!!!!
What a noob, Sepang was Pedrosa's race to lose, he dominated proceedings and had 4/10ths on the next best rider that weekend. That race was over at turn 1. MM maybe could have won Valencia, and would have given it a shot had it meant the title, but he sure as hell wasnt going to take Lorenzo out and hand the guy a title who questioned his integrity and wrecked him on purpose
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