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March 2nd, 2017, 01:31 AM   #31
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The FIM statement shouldn't mention anything about Marquez, it's a statement to explain why they issued Rossi three penalty points. Webb's comments about his belief that Marquez wasn't blameless was to explain why Rossi didn't receive a more harsh punishment. So Rossi only received a 3-pt penalty because Webb claims he found evidence or had reason to believe that Marquez wasn't purely racing.
Correct, the FIM statement is about the penalty but it could make mention of Marquez in terms of he being the victim of the irresponsible riding but as he was not charged, he is not and should not be mentioned in any other way either in the statement or surrounding discussion whilst in an official capacity

With regards to Webb's comments (is this groundhog day), they were at least poorly conceived and at worst an open display of sanctioned discrimination/bias.

No more should be read into Webbs statement once he states that Marquez broke no rules ............ the discussion ends there no matter what he, Rossi, Uccio, SUppo, Edwards, Marquez or the guy at the corner shop thinks ....... game, set, match - no rule broken



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I'll just say this, Mike Webb is part of race direction. Have you seen a statement from fim saying he had no right to say such things on their part?? And somewhere in the world someone would be bothered by not being taken seriously, he isn't here matey boy!
See above.

Webb had made the statement that was sanctioned by FIM regarding the penalty.

To discuss further is (I suspect) bringing what should be a confidential matter into the public arena and is a breach of trust applied to him to maintain the confidentiality of the judicial process.

His comments were poor, ill-judged and inflammatory, or as some see them, an open attempt to deflect blame from one and apportion to another based on the story being peddled by that one as it suits the preferred doctrine or narrative.

Webb at the time and when in his official capacity should have said no more than 'this is the penalty', all other matters that were discussed are confidential and cannot be discussed here.

He could also should he have chosen to go on to say 'in my opinion' or 'from where I sit' type of commentary as that preface would have absolved him from all others, but by use of 'we' or similar terminology (and IMO he is a smart man, knew what he was doing/saying) he is attempting subtly to lessen the culpability of one to the detriment of the other.
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Correct, the FIM statement is about the penalty but it could make mention of Marquez in terms of he being the victim of the irresponsible riding but as he was not charged, he is not and should not be mentioned in any other way either in the statement or surrounding discussion whilst in an official capacity

With regards to Webb's comments (is this groundhog day), they were at least poorly conceived and at worst an open display of sanctioned discrimination/bias.

No more should be read into Webbs statement once he states that Marquez broke no rules ............ the discussion ends there no matter what he, Rossi, Uccio, SUppo, Edwards, Marquez or the guy at the corner shop thinks ....... game, set, match - no rule broken





See above.

Webb had made the statement that was sanctioned by FIM regarding the penalty.

To discuss further is (I suspect) bringing what should be a confidential matter into the public arena and is a breach of trust applied to him to maintain the confidentiality of the judicial process.

His comments were poor, ill-judged and inflammatory, or as some see them, an open attempt to deflect blame from one and apportion to another based on the story being peddled by that one as it suits the preferred doctrine or narrative.

Webb at the time and when in his official capacity should have said no more than 'this is the penalty', all other matters that were discussed are confidential and cannot be discussed here.

He could also should he have chosen to go on to say 'in my opinion' or 'from where I sit' type of commentary as that preface would have absolved him from all others, but by use of 'we' or similar terminology (and IMO he is a smart man, knew what he was doing/saying) he is attempting subtly to lessen the culpability of one to the detriment of the other.
Imagine if Butler has still been in post.
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poor mm, he was forced to act like that because of uccios' lover fantasy talking... and like you said it was not illegal... and ofcourse in the past vr always used dirty tricks with jl cs dp nh etc... thats all total crap. 2007 when a young cs dominated the field vr swallowed it like a gentleman. he didnt start excuses... 2006 he lost everything in one turn still no problem about it. notrash talk about elias either. when he crash with cs at wet 2011 he went and apologized (and cs acted like a talented cunt he is, his tongue outweighted his brain). 2015 it wasnt king rossi vs rookie mm. it was 2 consecutive times champion mm against a washed out old timer vr. and mm didnt act like a champ! if you fart in an elevator full of people nobodys gonna sue you but they will look at you differently even if you live at penthouse...
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poor mm, he was forced to act like that because of uccios' lover fantasy talking... and like you said it was not illegal... and ofcourse in the past vr always used dirty tricks with jl cs dp nh etc... thats all total crap. 2007 when a young cs dominated the field vr swallowed it like a gentleman. he didnt start excuses... 2006 he lost everything in one turn still no problem about it. notrash talk about elias either. when he crash with cs at wet 2011 he went and apologized (and cs acted like a talented cunt he is, his tongue outweighted his brain). 2015 it wasnt king rossi vs rookie mm. it was 2 consecutive times champion mm against a washed out old timer vr. and mm didnt act like a champ! if you fart in an elevator full of people nobodys gonna sue you but they will look at you differently even if you live at penthouse...
Absolute bullshit.

MM did absolutely nothing to Rossi prior to the Sepang press conference. Rossi called him a liar and a cheat in regard to a race MM actually won and in which he made no moves which put the contenders at risk, on the basis of suspicions which emanated from Uccio and not Rossi himself by Uccio's own boast, and in full knowledge of his own power with the media and with the substantial ignorant glory hunting element among his fan base. No one in the entire world wide commentariat raised any suspicion about the PI race prior to the Sepang press conference.

At Sepang MM raced him legally for position. Rossi's problem was not being fast enough to stay ahead of Lorenzo or get and stay ahead of MM. He in all likelihood got a net 3 point gain at Sepang by illegally taking MM out, since if MM actually was substantially faster than him as Rossi and his partisans claim Rossi's likely finishing position was 4th, leaving Lorenzo with only the necessity to finish second and in front of Rossi at Valencia. MM put himself out of the title race by stupidly crashing out of many races early in the season riding his flawed bike beyond its limits. He was in no way obliged to keep doing this to facilitate Rossi's ambitions for the 8th/10th title, and when he rode smarter after returning to the old chassis, Pedrosa got healthier and Lorenzo got conditions and tracks in the end of season races which suited him Rossi was simply not consistently fast enough against the other 3 top riders to win the title.

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poor mm, he was forced to act like that because of uccios' lover fantasy talking... and like you said it was not illegal... and ofcourse in the past vr always used dirty tricks with jl cs dp nh etc... thats all total crap. 2007 when a young cs dominated the field vr swallowed it like a gentleman. he didnt start excuses... 2006 he lost everything in one turn still no problem about it. notrash talk about elias either. when he crash with cs at wet 2011 he went and apologized (and cs acted like a talented cunt he is, his tongue outweighted his brain). 2015 it wasnt king rossi vs rookie mm. it was 2 consecutive times champion mm against a washed out old timer vr. and mm didnt act like a champ! if you fart in an elevator full of people nobodys gonna sue you but they will look at you differently even if you live at penthouse...
Something we can all agree on.
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poor mm, he was forced to act like that because of uccios' lover fantasy talking... and like you said it was not illegal... and ofcourse in the past vr always used dirty tricks with jl cs dp nh etc... thats all total crap. 2007 when a young cs dominated the field vr swallowed it like a gentleman. he didnt start excuses...
Except that he demanded to have Bridgestone tyres for 2008, and Dorna moved heaven and earth for him to get them...

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the tires and the wall are not his best moves. he wanted the best for him though not the worse for the others! nobody said rossi was faster. he was going for the 8th with consistency. he knew that. everybody knew! mm wasnt 100% during the last races and thats all. if judge dredd aka mm was insulted, by uccio's gf as you said, ofcourse his Greatness may set the verdict the penalty and like a small god alter the standings! he passed vr at corkscrew passed jl at a turn named jl half an hour before the race collide with dp and set him flying off the championship hope and finally did what capirossi experienced at 1990 when a couple of italians helped him win gp wc 125. very talented but not very original... doohan was the man rossi is the man. cs and mm are both more talented but not much else...
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keshav i meant to write it this way to emphasize the uccio anecdote you all use. glad you understood it even in your own way!!!!!
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he wanted the best for him though not the worse for the others!
And you claim to have been watching this sport for how long?
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