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May 10th, 2017, 10:47 AM   #181
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No I knew it was a majority vote, but he purposely voted against his best interest to affect the championship. The question is , did Rossi act like a child by influencing the championship when he was not a contender.
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The same thing happened in 2012. Valentino Rossi, knowing he was in for a second year of struggling with the Ducati, voted for using the softer front Bridgestone for the season. After he left Ducati and returned to Yamaha, he admitted he had voted for the softer front knowing that it was a worse tire. The front tire was the least of his problems, and so handicapping his rivals with a worse tire was just one more strategy aimed at helping him to be competitive. Sometimes, for a racer, making your rivals slower can be just as effective (and much easier) than finding ways to be faster.


So no he didn't vote against his best interest.
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The same thing happened in 2012. Valentino Rossi, knowing he was in for a second year of struggling with the Ducati, voted for using the softer front Bridgestone for the season. After he left Ducati and returned to Yamaha, he admitted he had voted for the softer front knowing that it was a worse tire. The front tire was the least of his problems, and so handicapping his rivals with a worse tire was just one more strategy aimed at helping him to be competitive. Sometimes, for a racer, making your rivals slower can be just as effective (and much easier) than finding ways to be faster.


So no he didn't vote against his best interest.
Rossi voted for a softer carcass that he deplores to slow down Stoner out of spite, not to be more competitive.
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Rossi voted for a softer carcass that he deplores to slow down Stoner out of spite, not to be more competitive.
How do you know? Fly on the wall or just theorising?
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How do you know? Fly on the wall or just theorising?


He did an interview saying so didn't he? I'm sure Jum and JPS will have the link for you...
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How do you know? Fly on the wall or just theorising?
My impression was that the decision was neutral for Valentino in 2012, and I believe David Emmett's point with which I agree, and have made myself in regard to that previous 2012 vote, is that if a decision is neutral for a rider in such a vote a choice may well be made on the basis of disadvantaging a rival, rather than strictly on the merits of the tyres concerned, which Valentino pretty much acknowledged doing in 2012, hence his relevance currently if a tyre vote is again to be held.

in 2012 Stoner could use the tyre which was voted out better than anyone else hence his rivals having an incentive to vote for it not being available to him. The tyre they voted in however, as Stoner actually predicted, proved to be unsuitable/insufficiently durable in certain conditions for the whole field later, and delaminated for several riders including Valentino in a race that same year.

Simple solution, then as now, make both tyres available going forward. I didn't really have an issue back then with Valentino voting as he did, my problem was with Dorna engineering a vote to get rid of the "Stoner" tyre in the first place.
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He did an interview saying so didn't he? I'm sure Jum and JPS will have the link for you...
He called Stoner a 'wizard' for predicting the problems with the 2012 tyre as I recall, and that interview was easily googleable for several years afterwards, but I had trouble finding it this year although I didn't try very hard.
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My impression was that the decision was neutral for Valentino in 2012, and I believe David Emmett's point with which I agree, and have made myself in regard to that previous 2012 vote, is that if a decision is neutral for a rider in such a vote a choice may well be made on the basis of disadvantaging a rival, rather than strictly on the merits of the tyres concerned, which Valentino pretty much acknowledged doing in 2012, hence his relevance currently if a tyre vote is again to be held.

in 2012 Stoner could use the tyre which was voted out better than anyone else hence his rivals having an incentive to vote for it not being available to him. The tyre they voted in however, as Stoner actually predicted, proved to be unsuitable/insufficiently durable in certain conditions for the whole field later, and delaminated for several riders including Valentino in a race that same year.

Simple solution, then as now, make both tyres available going forward. I didn't really have an issue back then with Valentino voting as he did, my problem was with Dorna engineering a vote to get rid of the "Stoner" tyre in the first place.
If I were Marquez, I would think long and hard about voting for the harder carcass as it just might be more of an advantage to Rossi than to Marquez himself.
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He called Stoner a 'wizard' for predicting the problems with the 2012 tyre as I recall, and that interview was easily googleable for several years afterwards, but I had trouble finding it this year although I didn't try very hard.
Mike, would you help me to find that interview when he call stoner a wizard??
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