birdman

The good old coulda woulda shoulda.

Jlo shoulda finished 4th, Rossi shoulda finished 1st, Rossi shoulda been world champion.

How about Rossi shoulda been black flagged on the spot. Any other rider woulda been.

Rossi coulda been world champion, but alas he "failed miserably".

yamfan

Lorenzo wasn't so fast? Lap record pace every lap around Valencia, but not so fast then?
Hmm just a shitload quicker than Rossi, must've been Marquez's fault eh?
Rossi was crapping himself after PI and knew he'd bottle it at Valencia as he has before. It's only a matter of time before he starts whining about changing the order of the races or even dropping Valencia altogether.
We're already considering radios because Rossi wants them as he's crap at flag to flag races.
Whatever he wants he gets because dorna let him...

michaelm

Rossi wasn't even fast enough to beat Pedrosa in 4 of the last 5 races, or Iannone at PI.

In any of those races all he had to do, since he had a points lead as you say, was be fast enough to get and stay in front of Lorenzo, which he couldn't do even at Sepang where he qualified ahead of Lorenzo. If his only strategy was to hope he could come through the field late then it was a flawed one, and the riders other than Lorenzo are entitled to run their own race strategies rather than obliged to co-operate with his.

I have frequently alluded to 1992, when Mick Doohan lost by 4 points. He completely dominated everyone early season, including the title winner, the great Wayne Rainey, so much so that he was still in contention points wise after missing several races following the crash and injury which nearly cost him his leg at Assen. He returned and rode injured for the last 2 races, but there was no suggestion from anyone let alone him that riders other than Rainey, most of whom he could beat easily if fit rather than not being good enough per se, should let him beat them, nor any detraction from Rainey's title. Most of the followers of the sport actually understood the sport back then.

#22

As others have said,, shoulda woulda coulda. I don't hear you saying Lorenzo should have won races like Silverstone or Japan here he was one of the fastest all weekend until rain on raceday. Of course then you'll just say Lorenzo wasn't fast enough.

p4p1

If Lorenzo realised it was Marquez coming through he probably would've defended his position and possibly won the race. He thought it was Iannone coming through due to his lap board on the previous lap and thought it better to let Iannone through rather than being Iannoned.

Edit to add: if Rossi and his fans want to play hypotheticals it's very easy to do so. Lorenzo could've gone into Valencia in a far better position.

AJV80

Really, actually I'm a quite a big VR fan myself and have been since the 90's. Met him at PI, have some signed memorabilia, shit ... my sister even bought me a membership to his fan club last year. Its actually embarrassing for me to tell that to people though, mainly because of the mentality of fans like you.

jarno

my friend, i think its embarrassing to collect memorabilia and having a fun club card, past the tender age of ten but no worries! embarrasment and child behaviour will fade eventually! sorry but 1992 md neither blocked when he returned by f.e. kocinsky nor this could make any difference cause he wasnt fit enough to catch wr anyway, so still ill communication... also honda was pretty ready at the late stages of 2015 and dp's results show that, but mm wasnt showing full potential respectivelly... and ofcourse no answer to my only question, if you find the whole mm-vr 3 last race situation suspicious... try to forget the past and your hate towards vr, try to forget vr fans you think they wait for your lips to admit it so they can find inner peace and see the last 3 races with no glasses. and please dont bother to answer ''it was leggit'', i feel im talking to a bunch of mm lawyers...

p4p1

The problem with your opinion is that it appears to be based on mental retardation.

michaelm

Simple, as has been asked of you before find a date stamped reference by any commentator who saw any irregularity with how MM rode at PI 2015 prior to the Sepang 2015 press conference. That MM tanked a race that he won and somehow also determined the order behind him down to 4th is a ludicrous proposition, particularly given that when he rode as you claim he was obliged to ride in 2015 in the 2 adjacent seasons he crashed out of large leads.

What happened with Dani Pedrosa is that he recovered from his early season surgery, and then became fast enough that Rossi mostly couldn't beat him. Rossi actually got most of his points vs Lorenzo in an unusual number of wet races since Lorenzo couldn't ride the wet tyre, while in the dry races one of the only 4 bikes capable of winning in the dry was ridden by Pedrosa who was either hampered by arm pump, absent having surgery for arm pump or recovering from said surgery and hence unable to take points away from Rossi when Lorenzo beat him in the dry.

Rossi would still have deserved to win if he had prevaied by being better in the wet obviously, but the notion that the HRC riders were obliged not to race Rossi late season is another ludicrous one; you seem to be suggesting MM was obliged to keep crashing and Dani to keep riding as if physically impaired.

povol

Someone please explain to me how Marquez, who was a second ahead of Rossi on the last lap at PI, caused Rossi to lose 3rd place to Ianonne. And no, I saw nothing out of place in the way Marquez rode the last 3 races of 2015. He had a win and a second and was illegally taken out in the other