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January 11th, 2017, 12:46 AM   #61
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Simonceli had a large moment at Estoril in 2011 on cold tyres in the first corner, almost taking out Stoner which would have been rather detrimental to Stoner's title chances even apart from any injuries which may have ensued which Stoner pointed out post race, and crashed in the lead over-riding in the wet in the race before, and if you didn't think watching live that it was inevitable he would crash you are in a club of maybe two with Valentino Rossi perhaps the other member, and a club which definitely didn't include Stoner, Lorenzo or Pedrosa who made no attempt to pursue him. There was also the incident which resulted in Pedrosa's collar bone fracture, although I personally see that as at worst 50:50, but not many agree with me including the stewards.

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January 11th, 2017, 01:19 AM   #62
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Interesting.

In one, we have people alluding that Simoncelli was some sort of riding god who would have won championships without question, and yet he was yet to win a race and had very few podium finishes despite having exceptional machinery.

On the other we have people saying that he was reckless and it was this recklessness that ultimately contributed to or even perhaps caused the incident that resulted in Simoncelli's passing.

Well I am late to the party a little but will throw my thoughts in.

- I said at the time of his passing, that Simoncelli had only had one race in MotoGP where I feel that he showed any full race glimpses of ability or talent that may win him a world title - that race was Phillip Island immediately prior to his passing.

- I am also leaning to the Kesh train of thought (although perhaps not as vehemently) but I personally saw nothing in Simoncelli that had me thinking he was anything other than a potential occasional race winner but he was a definite star in terms of personality as it appealed to the masses. He was in many ways the heir apparent to the legions of Rossi fans so drawn to that type of extroverted personality.

- I feel that he simply f*cked up, lost the front and then did what the vast majority of racers would do and try to save it ............ it was this mindset that ultimately cost his life. IMO but it was the act of a racer, and yes whilst in hindsight it may be foolish every weekend we see riders hanging on until the slide stops only for them to remount.


Now off on a tangent ............ all of this and I have to ask why is Ianonne criticised for his petulant and impatient riding by many of those now defending Simoncelli?

I see remarkable parrallels between both Ianonne and Simoncelli but I do sincerely hope that we soon see a major divergent path.
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On a different tact and so as not to be missed.

Thanks for that Shaunna as whilst neither are my cup of tea I openly welcome the posting of things of the nature as this place may seem Rossi hating as you and others say (I do disagree) but the Rossi fans are still well entitled to their entertainment in the place
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How about being taken out of race 1 by TE, engine failures, tyre failures etc, pretty unlucky if you ask me.
How about being beaten in an entirely different race by TE? Not much luck in that, unless you consider TE getting on the best Michelins on perhaps the only occasion in the "race day special" Michelin era incredibly bad luck for poor Valentino.

He ran a specific narrative that he didn't need Honda, and fairly obviously considered Nicky Hayden to be a rider with whom HRC couldn't beat him.
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Interesting.

In one, we have people alluding that Simoncelli was some sort of riding god who would have won championships without question, and yet he was yet to win a race and had very few podium finishes despite having exceptional machinery.

On the other we have people saying that he was reckless and it wast his recklessness that ultimately contributed to or even perhaps caused the incident that resulted in Simoncelli's passing.

Well I am late to the party a little but will throw my thoughts in.

- I said at the time of his passing, that Simoncelli had only had one race in MotoGP where I feel that he showed any full race glimpses of ability or talent that may win him a world title - that race was Phillip Island immediately prior to his passing.

- I am also leaning to the Kesh train of thought (although perhaps not as vehemently) but I personally saw nothing in Simoncelli that had me thinking he was anything other than a potential occasional race winner but he was a definite star in terms of personality as it appealed to the masses. He was in many wayst he heir apparent to the legions of Rossi fans so drawn to that type of extroverted personality.

- I feel that he simply f*cked up, lost the front and then did what the vast majority of racers would do and try to save it ............ it was this mindset that ultimately cost his life. IMO but it was the act of a racer, and yes whilst in hindsight it may be foolish every weekend we see riders hanging on until the slide stops only for them to remount.


Now off on a tangent ............ all of this and I have to ask why is Ianonne criticised for his petulant and impatient riding by many of those now defending Simoncelli?

I see remarkable parrallels between both Ianonne and Simoncelli but I do sincerely hope that we soon see a major divergent path.

My thoughts exactly as far as the Iannone comparison goes.

I have absolutely no animus against Shaunna either and value her participation in the forum.
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Thanks all
Me posting my mini disclaimers (if you want to call them that haha) is more so that the passionate anti rossis of the forum don't try and draw me into a debate

I am very aware and appreciative that not all are like that thanks again
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It's okay to talk about F1 in the MotoGP forum, but not Moto3? Too bad no one deletes the stupid spam threads. WTF????

I am not sure why you need any disclaimers, shaunna. It seems fine to post such a video and it ads some pizazz to an otherwise dull site this time of year. Thanks for the efforts!

Despite all the vitriol towards Marco, I liked him in 250. He beat guys despite a 20kg handicap. Very impressive. He was too aggressive in MotoGP, but he could easily have done better than Cal, in my opinion. It's interesting that he gets all the blame for his demise, despite the dislike of Rossi, here. I am not sure Rossi should get a pass, but I figure he already paid the ultimate price of seeing his friend die in front of his tire. Horrible really. I would have stopped racing.
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Despite all the vitriol towards Marco, I liked him in 250. He beat guys despite a 20kg handicap. Very impressive. He was too aggressive in MotoGP, but he could easily have done better than Cal, in my opinion. It's interesting that he gets all the blame for his demise, despite the dislike of Rossi, here. I am not sure Rossi should get a pass, but I figure he already paid the ultimate price of seeing his friend die in front of his tire. Horrible really. I would have stopped racing.
Marco was calming down towards the end. He would have matured as a rider. No better example than Marc Marquez, in my opinion.

As for Rossi, he didn't do anything wrong on the day. Nor did Edwards. Neither of them need a pass.
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Marco was calming down towards the end. He would have matured as a rider. No better example than Marc Marquez, in my opinion.

As for Rossi, he didn't do anything wrong on the day. Nor did Edwards. Neither of them need a pass.
Yeah, he was learning. And him hanging on was instinctual as a racer and not some flaw of character.

I know the collision may have been unavoidable, but since there is so much Rossi dislike about-these-parts, I just am stirring a pot because it's Wednesday - here.
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Marco's fatal crash had nothing to do with him being aggressive or taking on too much risk. Racers fight to save lowsides all the time, it was an anomaly for his bike to veer back into the path of Rossi and Edwards. Any rider that participates in the sport (no matter how "safe" they want to be) could suffer a similar accident. Every rider on the grid has lost control of their bike and found themselves at the mercy of luck & physics.
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