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January 5th, 2017, 12:40 PM   #11
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You on drugs kesh or do you just like being hated!
Oh dear me! I've expressed a non-PC, unpopular opinion on PowerSlide and a few provincial types, who believe death confers sainthood on people who were assholes when alive think the penalty for this should be burning at the stake. When has that ever happened in the history of this forum?


Most every knowledgeable person I've ever conversed with on this forum believes Matt Mladin is a flaming asshole. But were
he to die tomorrow - no doubt some people here would start crying crocodile tears and proclaiming Mladin the Mother Theresa
of racing.

I also think Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and Ronald Regan were assholes. Is it okay to think that even tho they're dead?
Or does that not meet with your approval?

I hate to break it to you but a lot of people think Rossi is an asshole, and when he dies, their opinion won't change.
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Gotta agree with Kesh.

I saw him as a danger on the track. I thought he was going to take somebody else out though.

I do hate the way rossi uses anything Simoncelli to garner bopper support though, thats what this video is to me.
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How many riders did Marco injure? Just out of interest.
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Hate to see any rider die out there; but truth be told, I don't miss him at all. The guy was a bull in a china shop when he rode the 250s, smashing into other riders that were smoother and more talented and the asshole never apologized to any of the riders he barged into. He never belonged in that class. He was a dumb-ass. And when he went into the MotoGp class - he continued with the same shit, showing no regard whatsoever for the safety of other riders. If you watch "Hitting The Apex" there's an interview with his pal Rossi, in which Rossi tells the interviewer that at one point he had to tell Simoncelli that the consensus in the paddock was that "he was a dickhead". Frankly - I've never understood why so many people were enamored of the guy. It may not be PC to speak badly of the dead, but the guy was a jerk.
Totally agree. Even all the press mocked Lorenzo when he brought the issue up and as I've said before, they were anything but laughing when what Lorenzo said came true.
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Hate to see any rider die out there; but truth be told, I don't miss him at all. The guy was a bull in a china shop when he rode the 250s, smashing into other riders that were smoother and more talented and the asshole never apologized to any of the riders he barged into. He never belonged in that class. He was a dumb-ass. And when he went into the MotoGp class - he continued with the same shit, showing no regard whatsoever for the safety of other riders. If you watch "Hitting The Apex" there's an interview with his pal Rossi, in which Rossi tells the interviewer that at one point he had to tell Simoncelli that the consensus in the paddock was that "he was a dickhead". Frankly - I've never understood why so many people were enamored of the guy. It may not be PC to speak badly of the dead, but the guy was a jerk.
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No... actually - not ALL riders are reckless. There's a big difference between being aggressive, and being being sociopathically indifferent to the life and death consequences of smashing into other riders at speeds over 100 MPH.

Lorenzo was reckless with his own safety. He wasn't constantly smashing into other riders in the 250 class and certainly not when he was in the premiere class. And Lorenzo has - to the best of my knowledge - been very forthcoming any time he fucked up. Simoncelli was an obnoxious imbecile who never copped to any wrong doing, ever. He was universally disliked by the other riders in MotoGp. As I said, even his best friend Rossi - (saying it with chagrin) agreed that Simoncelli behaved "like a dickhead".
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Oh dear me! I've expressed a non-PC, unpopular opinion on PowerSlide and a few provincial types, who believe death confers sainthood on people who were assholes when alive think the penalty for this should be burning at the stake. When has that ever happened in the history of this forum?


Most every knowledgeable person I've ever conversed with on this forum believes Matt Mladin is a flaming asshole. But were
he to die tomorrow - no doubt some people here would start crying crocodile tears and proclaiming Mladin the Mother Theresa
of racing.

I also think Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and Ronald Regan were assholes. Is it okay to think that even tho they're dead?
Or does that not meet with your approval?

I hate to break it to you but a lot of people think Rossi is an asshole, and when he dies, their opinion won't change.
I have to agree with Kesh on this one.

Awhile back I went a lot further than Kesh did on the subject of Marco Simoncelli that wasn't popular, but I still stand by what I said then.

Marco Simoncelli is why Marco Simoncelli is dead. The way he rode is why he couldn't let go of the bike in an unrecoverable lowside under race conditions. All he had to do was let go, and he slides off, and maybe gets the bike going again and finishes at the back of the grid. He never had proper respect for what can go wrong when motor racing as could be seen in 250cc and his numerous dangerous riding moves in GP.

The media and Rossi egged Simoncelli on further which was no surprise as the media never passes up an opportunity for blood, and Rossi had already exhibited a lack of disregard for the safety of his fellow competitors up till that time. Simoncelli loved Rossi and was looking to him for approval instead of looking for the approval of all of the riders not named Rossi. The Pedrosa shunt he caused at Le Mans might have been avoided altogether had he listened to what the rest of the grid was trying to tell him before then.

Simoncelli being where he was at the point in the race should have had more regard for the fact that a number of riders were behind him and that trying to ride out the bike that's on the ground in the middle of a corner near the racing lane was a COLOSSALLY BAD JUDGMENT CALL. Do I think he should have died for it? Absolutely not. But had he been in possession of respect for fellow riders, and respect for the dangers of racing motorcycles in excess of 200MPH, he would still be here today.

I made the same assessment for the late Ayrton Senna for his fatal F1 crash on May 1st, 1994. Senna killed Senna due to very bad judgment on his part. I liked Senna a bit, but I'm not going to engage in revisionist history to absolve him of fault, much like I will not do the same with Marco Simoncelli. I do happen to believe neither man should have died for it.
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58 didn't kill 58, bad luck did, end of.
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58 didn't kill 58, bad luck did, end of.
You make your own luck.

Simoncelli had no regard for anyone on the circuit including himself.
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You make your own luck.

Simoncelli had no regard for anyone on the circuit including himself.
Not true, do you really think someone with no regard for his competitor's would even be allowed on a circuit? In the high risk game of moto GP , things will always happen that depend on luck.
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Not true, do you really think someone with no regard for his competitor's would even be allowed on a circuit? In the high risk game of moto GP , things will always happen that depend on luck.
Valentino Rossi is still out there riding in grands prix, so they are allowed.
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Not true, do you really think someone with no regard for his competitor's would even be allowed on a circuit? In the high risk game of moto GP , things will always happen that depend on luck.
I am not all the way with JPS on this, but at least some of the way.

Whether or not Simoncelli or to a lesser extent Rossi caused injuries to other riders, both (particularly Simoncelli) pushed things on occasion to the point that avoidance of a major accident was entirely outside their control, and dependent on the response of a competitor to save the situation.
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